Tình hình Ukraine và bóng ma của nội chiến

Một bên bảo vẫn kiểm, soát, một bên bảo đã giải vây, tóm lại là ảnh ọt không thấy đâu, ôi thời đại thông tin.

Thé tóm lại là cái bọn đang bị vây trong sân bay nó đã thoát ra ngoài chưa, nếu mà cái này chưa thấy nói đến tức là cũng kiểu vừa mới thò đầu vào.

Thứ trưởng QP Nga Antonov
10 câu hỏi tôi muốn các đồng chí Ukr trả lời:
1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from asimilar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.

Nếu tôi nhớ không nhầm, khi tòa chưa tuyên án thì chưa bị coi là tội phạm.
Đến hôm nay Mỹ sau 36 giờ cũng mới chỉ nói: Có khả năng tên lửa bắn đi từ khu vực do quân miền Đông kiểm soát.
Thế nhé, ai cũng ghê tởm bọn nào gây ra tội ác này nhưng bạn đừng có mù quáng, phát biểu linh tinh.

Ở Lugansk, không có quân đội Ukraina, thành phố trực thuộc sự kiểm soát của quân đội LC

vừa vào vnnóiphét thấy dày đặc thông tin đại ca Mỹ kết luận phe ly khai bắn, có sự hỗ trợ kỹ thuật của Nga

Ý kiến của một số chuyeenngia, còn quá sơm để đưa ra kết luận
It is too early to make any definitive conclusions on what caused the crash of this aircraft. There is a lot of apparent evidences, pointing towards a fairly sophisticated ground-to-air-missile. But as with any disaster like this, it’s requires some very close study to finish up with definitive conclusions,” said Tony Cable, who has been an investigator with the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch for 32 years and worked on the Lockerbie/Pan Am 103 bombing and the Paris Concorde disaster.

According to Tony Cable, the kind of missile system allegedly used to bring down the flight would have to be very sophisticated.

“The previous cases I know of where aircraft have been shot down are mostly a result of air-to-air rather than ground-to-air missiles,” Cable said. “It would need to be a fairly sophisticated ground-to-air missile. There are a lot of Manpads [shoulder launched surface-to-air missiles] around the world and you can pretty easily get hold of them, but they tend to have a height limit of 10,000 feet.”

“Manpads don’t have a very good guidance system and there is no way one of them could get to 33,000 feet [the height MH17 was flying when it came down],” Cable added. “So if it is a missile that has brought down this flight it will be something considerably more sophisticated.”

Cable also told RIA Novosti he was surprised commercial flights were being permitted to fly directly over the conflict zone and said the responsibility for that had to rest with the Governments.

“I was surprised that aircraft were being allowed to fly over that area,” Cable said. “As far as I can see the responsibility for that would be government to government. So the Malaysian equivalent of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office giving advice to airlines. I don’t think you can expect the airlines themselves to work out that sort of detail on all the territories they cover.”

Cable worked directly on the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, and despite the largest criminal investigation ever conducted in the UK and subsequent conviction of Libyan Abdelbaset al Megrahi, speculation still continues to this day over who was actually behind the attack. Cable told RIA Novosti a similar scenario could be repeated with Flight MH17.

“I could see a possibility of debate continuing over the causes of this disaster going on for years, as it has done with Lockerbie,” Cable said. “That is very much in the security and political field and way outside pure accident investigation which can just say what happened. It’s up to other folks to figure out why it happened.”

Cable added that it was important that an international investigations team witnessed the examination of the flight recorders and the read-outs contained within it.

“In most circumstances it would be essential that the flight recorders, the so-called Black Boxes, remain near the location of the disaster until international investigators were able to retrieve them,” Cable told RIA Novosti. “But we are dealing with a part of the world that is probably going to be looking after its own interests.”

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed near the town of Torez in the Donetsk Region on Thursday, causing death of all 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board.

Kiev blamed independence supporters in the turbulent Donetsk Region for downing the passenger plane with a surface-to-air missile. Militia forces said they had no missile systems that could hit a target flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters.

"Bộ trưởng Quốc phòng Đại Tướng Valerii Heletei báo cáo cho Tổng thống Ukraine Petro Poroshenko rằng các lực lượng vũ trang của Ukraine nắm quyền kiểm soát phần phía đông nam của thành phố Luhansk. Các binh sĩ người Ukraine cũng giải toả sân bay Luhansk. Các lực lượng vũ trang tiếp tục giải phóng thị trấn Ukraina từ các nhóm chiến binh, "các dịch vụ báo chí cho biết.
Nguồn: http://en.censor.net.ua/n294491

Không biết có chưa
Theo trang này thì Buk mà m.Đ thu được là xe đơn, nếu bắn được thì kịch kim cũng chỉ là 6000m. Muốn bắn cao hơn thì phải có các xe rada khác đi kèm.
http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/07/18/buk/
Theo ông này thì m.Đ không có Bulk (hoặc có mà là hàng kiểng, k xài được)
http://vietnamese.ruvr.ru/news/2014_07_18/274782526/

không hoạt động là không phóng đạn chứ k phải bật k bật rada

Theo TTXVN thì tại LHQ, Đại Sứ nước ta đã chính thức đề nghị điều tra thảm họa, khi có 3 nạn nhân nước ta thiệt mạng trong thảm họa này