American Accent

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Posted by devastated
I''''m new here in this forum and I''''m here just for one purpose: to learn English.
I wanna ask you the English-language wizards a couple of questions about American accent and pronunciation.
Most of the times I hear Americans pronounce T like D in. However, sometimes they make it exactly T as British do. So what is the rule for this?
Next I wanna ask about joing words. Sometimes I hear them join words, especially words that end in R with the word that follows. For example, I saw more in Hanoi than in Hai Phong. In this sentence, R that closes that word MORE is joined with I in the word IN. And that''''s the general rule, isn''''t it? In some cases, however, they do not join, or in other words they do not pronounce R. Why so?
Thanks
Replied by Sil:
Two distinctive letters pronounced differently in American English and Brittish English would be the A and the T. You are exactly right. Look at the word "Apple" whilst American English would compress the "A" and make it sound rather like -Ep-ple, Brittish English pronounces the word more precise: -Ap-ple. The "T" is often pronounced accutely "T" in Brittish when it is placed in the middle of the word, such as "Exactly", "witty" (especially this word), and several other words that my blank mind just can''''t come up with. Personally, I find Brittish accent terribly ***y.
"Gomen nasai....demo..A****erui Sayuri-san.."
 
From Brit: I''m sorry, Sil, for e***ting your post like this but there''s some technical fault with TTVN.
Được britneybritney sửa chữa / chuyển vào 01:06 ngày 28/03/2004

A word of thanks to you Britney for minatorily advising me about that
To Sil: Thanks a lot for your help! Yeah I also agree British accent is numbly ***y! But I just wanna try to mould my tongue to American accent. Clearly, American accent sounds lighter and smoother than British accent??? I have been practicing British accent for rather long and now I find it rather difficult to pronounce R in the likes of SPORT, BAR, etc. British don''t take care of R in these words, don''t they? Sometimes the rules are a bit misleading, or maybe I have just run my eyes on the text too fast???
 

Ah-hah! I knew I left something out. The ''R'' in American is VERY strong, such as "puRple" "yesteRday"...^^;; Which sounds almost funny where I''m living, because to us ''purple'' has a totally different meaning..however I won''t go there. XD
"Gomen nasai....demo..A****erui Sayuri-san.."

American accent and pronunication, sounds good!
Hello, there? I''''m wondering why you language wizards neglected this interesting topic for so long! Come on, any experts in the field here to help my old pal?
Được quidnunc sửa chữa / chuyển vào 22:26 ngày 26/03/2004

heLLOOO Where ARE you, language wizards? Why don''t you guys help my old pal Sil''s post didn''t address the questions at all.

Hmmm... Interesting! Alright I''ll try my best to explain this (before anyone else does, heh heh heh )...
It''s just the way they talk and that''s what makes them "American"... However some times there''re exceptions where they pronunce "T" exactly as the Brits do, and that''s when they FEEL like sayin'' it like that! Heh, get it?
But, bein'' American doesn''t mean they always pronunce "T" like "D" because it has to depend on what word they''re sayin''... For instance, for the work "Letter", you''ll normally hear "led''der" or "later" like "lay''der", "starting" like "star''ding"... However, there''re also words that contain "T" and they have to be pronunced exactly "T" like "Torture", "Future", "Director"...
They''ve been speaking the words since they were children and the way they speak is kinda stuck in their heads... You have to listen to them A LOT (either by having conversations w/ them or watching American movies) to have the idea of what sounds like what, and also you need to speak A LOT as well in order to sound like them because remember this comes naturally, you can''t just force yourself to sound "American" when you say these "T" words, it might just make you sound very awkward and funny and people would not understand you!!

Hmmm, the mod locked and moved the topic to a new location at exactly the same time I wrote this second response, so it was lost, but good thing I''ve copied the whole content before hitting "Trả lời" in case "something might happen", heh... Kinda personal experiment after loosing and rewriting mails and stuff too many times...
Actually, after putting some thoughts to it (and doing some quick research), there ARE rules, yes, RULES for this "T" sound...
Normally, when the "T" is in the middle of a word, well let''s say "better", "collateral", "hurting" or "getting", the "T" will sound like a soft "D"... Also, when it falls at the end of a word and the next word starts with a vowel "at all", "lot of", "but if"... the same rules applied!
Then again, what about "Torture", "Hunting"? Obviously you can''t say "Tordure" or "Hunding" Well, if you notice, for these cases, other "T" rules applied... Take a look at "Hunting", often you will hear "Hunning" because the N is too close to the "T", that makes the "T" disappear, because that''s the rule! Get it?
Other examples: "Inneresting" for "Interesting", "Advannage" for "Advantage"...
More rule, when "T" sound stands before "N" sound, like "Written" and "Latin", the "T" will practically disappear and you will only hear the "N" sound...
So, the moral of the story, there''re more than one ways to pronounce the "T" in American English, only way to get to know it, read my previous post... And sorry for the lenghthy "essay", hope this helps and does not confuse you, I just got kinda carried away!
D*mn, this thread started last year, I wonder if the thread starter - "devastated" whatever even cares about it now!

Thanks a lot for replying to me. I''''ve just voted 5 stars for both you and your post. I''''m wondering who longarm is and where''s the heck he is right now. This topic is awesome. Thanks awfully, brit
Được quidnunc sửa chữa / chuyển vào 23:51 ngày 27/03/2004