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chán mí bác thật, Chỉ lo cãi suôn mí dòng với tuị tàu!ờ cứ cãi đi có làm được gì tụi nó đâu! tụi nó tuy là TÀu thật nhưng là tàu cóc con, có là cái thá gì ở xứ tàu đặc nghịt người đâu nào
Trong khi mí bác cãi thì tụi Tàu nó lấn thêm cả chục mmét đất của Ta ngoài Cát Dài và Cát vàng!Hàng Tàu cứ tràn snag VN ta thêm mí tấn mà chất lượng thì.................................. Em ghét cãi suôn ai có giỏi thì làm Kinh tế Vn ta đè đầu thằng tàu đi xem nào!
Tuy thế em cũng creat nick bên đó, VietnamPeace, tuy em mê Vũ khí thật vì nhìu cái nhìn đẹp như mí món đồ chơi em ráp hồi bé nhưng thật sự ghét vũ khí vô cùng vì bít đâu 1 ngày nào đó chính cái vũ khí mính thích giết mình!
1 thế giới kô vũ khí!

Trong vấn đề đối ngoại chúng ta phải gạt mâu thuẫn sang một bên, phải cùng hiệp đồng tác chiến chống lại bất cứ sự xúc phạm nào đối với VN, đối với dân tộc Việt. Hãy đặt danh dự của dân tộc Việt lên trên hết. Phải cho bọn chúng thấy rằng người Việt có thể có những bất đồng, cãi nhau nhưng khi động tới VN thì chúng ta cùng chung một dòng máu Việt chảy trong người.
Phải cho chúng thấy dù chúng ta nghèo, dù chúng ta nhỏ bé nhưng không có nghĩa là chúng có thể bắt nạt chúng ta mãi, không có nghĩa là chúng ta yếu ớt...
Các bác cố lên, em ủng hộ các bác.
Chúng ta nhất định sẽ thắng bởi vì chúng ta có sự thật, có chân lí.
Hãy hiệp đồng tác chiến trên mọi mặt trận chống lại dân tộc Việt.

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Mời bác xem một phần của các bài viết. Có e-mail của tác giả phương Tây,bác có thể hỏi kỹ:
The Sino-Soviet War
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The Soviet Union and China engaged in a series of border skirmishes over the winter of 1968 and 1969, with Soviet troops living parts of the extremely large border. The clash in ideology could easily have resulted in a war, had cooler heads not prevailed and had their been some sort of activity, even accidental, on either side. What if the war of words had turned into one of bullets?
1969: March: Revolutionary guards, in a fit of exuberance as they showed in 1966 and 1967 during the "Glorious Revolution" - when they were closer to an uncontrolled mob - goes into Soviet territory. Several stray bullets fly from Soviet troops and hit troops on the Chinese side in retaliation.
April: War is declared by the Soviets after a massacre of 200 Soviet troops by one of these "mobs," Soviets march into China from the USSR and Mongolia.
June: With Manchuria almost totally in Soviet hands,, Chinese finally muster enough strength for a counterattack, sending an army of half a million from the Tibet region across the desert regions of Turkestan and, later, the Uzbek region.
September: With the Soviets nearly pushed out of Manchuria, a contingent of 150,000 Soviet troops, fearing being trapped by the Chinese forces
marching toward the Caspian Sea, attack the flanks of this large force. 110,000 are killed or wounded, most of the wounded dying later, and 30,000 are captured. 200,000 Chinese soldiers are killed or wounded, however, and the 3-week battle give re-enforcement''s, some from Soviet bloc nations, time to arrive and stop the Chinese from getting to the Caspian Sea. It is considered a bloody victory for the USSR, though as most Americans liked to point out, it was only the start of the war.
November: With the Soviet winter coming (it was there since August in Siberia, it seemed), the Soviets begin closing the gap once more. The Chinese invade North Korea, seen as a Soviet ally in the struggle, and wipe it out.
1970:
February: President Nixon, seeing a chance to make peace with the losing Chinese, convinces them that the Soviets are also vulnerable in Vietnam, and promises to pull his own troops out early if the Chinese invade there and Laos.
March: Chinese and Nixon agree to a peace treaty, and the last major thrust by the U.S. coincides with a Chinese invasion. The Soviets order the U.S. to cease and desist.
April: Nixon visits Moscow. His political ploy has worked, as he agrees to pull out of Vietnam and let the two Communist nations duke it out. He is hailed as a genius for getting the U.S. out of the mess, though not as much a genius as he considers himself. When asked to comment on the solution, former President Johnson cracks: "Ah could have done the same thing; he probably learned how to play sides of one another by watching ?~Hogan''s Heroes.''"
June: U.S. evacuation of troops begins, how American President have used TV to shape policy becomes a steady joke among comics, especially on the Tonight Show.
October: U.S. completely out of Vietnam, Republicans gain control of the Senate, though not the House. U.S. and Soviets sign SALT treaty.
1971:
March: Strengthened by training in the Tibetan mountains, Chinese siege Mongolian capital of Ulaanbataar, by far their largest city. The battle in and near that city rages for months as the Chinese, with better manpower, seize the city and the Soviets try to regain control as the nation splits in two, one Chinese-led government and, until the leaders are massacred in July, and Soviet puppet regime.
August: While other battles rage elsewhere, the Soviets try once again to reclaim Mongolia and fail. The battle in this region is seen as lost (for now), as Eastern bloc troops are grumbling about fighting so far from home. "We expected to be fighting NATO, or we would not have signed up" was a common refrain. All in all, the battle kills 800,000, including two-thirds of the city''s residents.
October: Leonid Brezhnev makes one last push to remain in power by funneling all the money and resources saved due to dйtente into the war with China. Soviet leaders tell him they expect results, and quickly. Mao, being more like Stalin in his one-person reign, is unconcerned about keeping power.
December: Soviet navy, with U.S. blessing, begins shelling of coastal Chinese cities. With China bogged down in Vietnam trying to install a puppet regime supportive of Mao, and the bombing harming the Chinese, who have no navy to speak of after several battles, the Soviets plan a major strike on two fronts, Manchuria (partly Soviet) and the Tien Shan region, where the Soviet side is much more populous and the Chinese side features mostly Muslims who can be convinced to rebel against the Chinese by Soviet propaganda, which expounds upon the ethnic diversity of a nation with regions like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. As it looks like the Chinese are winning, Nixon convinces others to allow the Soviet ships to sail around South Korea to accomplish this.
1972:
February: Soviets have had a devastating effect on the Chinese, and now control North Korea again, as well as much of Manchuria. In fact, there are worries that they will soon be able to march into Peking, they are half the distance they were in the earliest days of the war. Two mostly Muslim provinces secede from China and become Soviet S.S.R.s.
March: Nixon now travels to China as they call on all able-bodied Chinese, instead of having a draft as before. Nixon promises the U.S. will not let the Soviet navy send reinforcements around Korea or Japan, in return for concessions from the Chinese. "Tricky Dick," as he is becoming know, then plays a trump card - Albania and Yugoslavia.
April: With intelligence secretly supplied the Albanians, a Communist nation allied with China, Albania marches across neutral Communist Yugoslavia (which is more anti-Soviet then anti-Chinese under Tito), and the two nations together attack Romania and northern Bulgaria. Nixon sweated bullets about this, fearing a nuclear holocaust, but he''d obtained commitments from both sides before not to use nuclear weapons, and he stayed on the hotline to Moscow and Peking for nearly three straight days keeping tabs on the nations to ensure no nukes would be used.
June: The Soviets march into Romania, but most of their troops are tied up in Asia, preventing them from effectively defending their allies and, with the bloc nations also there, preventing the nations from defending themselves. Soon, the Bulgarian part of Macedonia is safely in Yugoslav hands.
August: As the Chinese push back the Soviets and another major Mongolian battle ensues, Brezhnev is told to take a sick leave in Siberia for a decade. Yuri Andropov, former KGB head, becomes Soviet leader, promises to look inward and inspires the first Bermanism, "Go up to a cliff"" Andropov.
September: Soviets blame U.S. for instigating Allied attack. Inspired by the "Hogan''s Heroes" jokes, President Nixon proclaims to a United Nations assembly: "As for the rumors of United States aid to Chinese allies, I know no-thing!! I see no-thing!!!" He then promises them that the U.S. will help mediate and try to pursue a peace favorable to the Soviets side.
November: Nixon wins a huge re-election without Watergate.
1973:
February: Weary of war, Soviets agree to give back all Chinese territory except for one northwestern province. A neutral Communist government is established in Mongolia.
April: Other peace terms are secured. China will get a sliver of Siberia that connect the Soviets to North Korea, and the North Korean Communists will also pledge neutrality to both sides.
May 1, 1973: On the great May Day holiday in the Soviet Union, the war officially ends. Nixon is later awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, though the war exacts a heavy toll, as 60 million are killed, 35 million Chinese and 14 million Soviets, with about 11 million killed from other nations - Mongolia, the Eastern European nations, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. Another 22 million are wounded. Several days later, both Andropov and Mao begin harsh purges designed to eliminate "those whose treason led to many loyal lives being lost." About a million wind up being killed in each country, including Brezhnev. In China, purges of several of Mao''s advisors allow some of the ones purged in 1967 to re-enter the government.
1976: Despite complaints that the U.S. should have kept playing the Communist nations off each other longer, the Republicans sweep into power. Dissatisfaction at the oil crisis and other economic problems keep Nixon''s VP, Gerald Ford (Agnew''s resignation was unrelated to Watergate), from winning the nomination. Instead, Ronald Reagan runs and wins.
1979: Reagan follows up the Israeli-Egyptian peace accords by signing a treaty with the Soviets to reduce nuclear weapons and to begin a pullback of troops. Discontent is still brewing in Eastern Europe and in the Soviet Union over the loss of so much of a generation to a fellow Communist nation. There is no invasion of Afghanistan.
1980: Solidarity begins a more fervent push than expected, thanks to Polish discontent at being asked to fight so far from home, and the nation threatens to pull out of the Warsaw Pact. A situation like Hungary in 1956 is feared, and soon the Poles are fighting so valiantly that some in the Soviet leadership begin calling it the Soviet-Polish War. Reagan wins re-election, as Ted Kennedy is perceived as too liberal and still has problems with the 1969 auto accident haunting him. That costs him a large number of women voters, and that is seen as the difference in a very close race. Reagan promises that "the way things are going, if you stick with me, the Soviet Union will collapse by 1984" in a pre-election speech.
1982: As Poles are just now being subdued, other nations, sickened by the actions, begin to pull away from the Soviet Union, economies in a shambles. Andropov is overthrown in a coup by the Soviet foreign minister, who orders him shot. China''s economy is also in a shambles, but with the U.S. not having granted them most favored nation trading status, they cannot improve their economy.
1983: With the U.S. economy rebounding after a serious recession, Reagan is seen to have ridden out a very tough problem, and he declares that he has "whipped inflation." Soviet leaders finally accept a neutral government in Poland, as the uprising heats up again, this time spreading to neighboring Czechoslovakia and to Hungary.
1984: Mikhail Gorbachev becomes co-leader along with several others, who announce plans to promote intense reformation of the Soviet economy. Reagan meets with Gorbachev in Iceland in June to sign another peace treaty. By late in the year, faced with mounting economic problems and still not recovered from their war with China, Gorbachev disbands the Warsaw Pact, thanks to the treaties of peace between them and the West, and pulls troops out of Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia, allowing for free elections there. Romania, Bulgaria, and East Germany retain their Soviet forces.
1986: Romania''s government is overthrown, China begins a major shift in power, becoming the new hard-line Communist nation as the Soviets slowly break up. With Southeast Asia in their sphere of influence, they start to move troops into those three nations, and make overtures to Castro, who announced some time ago he was fed up with the Soviet Union''s bullying of Third World nations like China and Vietnam. Chinese officials celebrate their apparent victory over the Soviets, albeit years later, in the public relations war.
1987: Chinese Communists abandon all attempts to introduce capitalisminto the Chinese economy, and tell the United States it can forget "most favored nation" status, because it doesn''t need to deal with Westerners. Every Eastern bloc nation has freed itself from old Communist regimes, and Germany unifies late in the year.
1989: New U.S. President Lloyd Bentsen celebrates the ending of the Cold War, and begins pumping massive amounts of aid into Russia to keep it afloat after Boris Yeltsin''s coup and a near Russian civil war, which is only averted because Yeltsin promises the military they will not have to fight anyone. After the debacles in China and in Poland, they gladly agree tosupport him, against the urgings of top generals

Thôi mấy bác ơi, rảnh hơi ngồi đây đá nhau. wa phụ tui cái. Mà bác Tư lệnh spirou đâu rồi nhỉ?

Tôi cũng đã thông báo cho mấy đứa bạn. Chúng nó cũng rất nhiệt tình,nói sẽ tham gia.
Bọn Tàu chửi,nói cộc lốc hay vu cáo thì chúng càng tồi. Ta cũng không cần trả lời ngay mà tham khảo kỹ,viết có tình,có lý. Ta không thể thay đổi được chúng,nhưng có thể cho thế giới hiểu được ta. Ngay một số thằng Tàu cũng có vẻ ôn hoà hơn. Những người đó,ta viết để họ hiểu. mình. Phương tiện Internet rất có lợi.
Cũng có nhiều bạn ủng hộ ta. Bạn Đàn chim Việt rất cố gắng,cố lên. Tôi bận thi quá,sẽ post bài.

Bác BrodaRu ơi, cái bài tiếng Anh ấy là chiến tranh giả định thôi. Động từ tiếng Anh của câu này chia ở thì giả định (đã không xảy ra)
The clash in ideology could easily have resulted in a war, had cooler heads not prevailed and had their been some sort of activity, even accidental, on either side. What if the war of words had turned into one of bullets?

Không có gì, vì người Việt thôi mà. Với lại tôi đang cãi với thằng redcold, thằng này lập luận kh bằng tụi Panda và HBN nhưng đc cái là chịu chửi thề và lý sự cùn.
Với lại, nó nói dân Việt ta lùn, ngu. Tui mới đưa dẫn chứng Napoleon, Hitler, và Lenin cũng lùn. Nó đem cái link nói Napoleon cao tới 1.69 lận, tức là cao hơn dân Việt mình. (cái này nó nói.)
Hơi đuối lý nhưng tui cũng vớ cái câu "Con người thông minh là tính từ trán lên trời" của Napoleon đang chờ nó trả lời.
Bác nào có thông tin vụ Napoleon cho xin với.

Lão nạp mạo muội sửa một chút bài của Hoàng thí chủ. Nếu thí chủ không đồng ý thì bỏ đi nhé.
As I understand about what he mentioned is why Vietnamese people here feel bad about China although China has done some "good" things for Vietnam, am I right?
Although I and some of my colleagues have been trying to discuss in honorable manner, but others interupt and mislead our debate. Thus, to make everything clear, I would like to point out what my colleagues have addressed.
1) Dong Da stated that China has influented Vietnamese culture but could not civilize Vietnam. We are always proud of our almost 4000 years history and culture. As long as the existence of China, Vietnam has its own culture and metropolitan. Even Great Viet has sent an emissary to the Chu emperor for trade agreement - the first diplomatic event between two countries. Yes, for over a thousand years developing, both countries learn a lot from each other and share achivements of sicences.
2) The second "good thing" you mentioned, China has done for Vietnam, seems to be a lie. We liberated my country by ourselves right after the surrender of Japan without the alliance''s military actions. In September 2nd 1945, Vietnam was born as the Declaration of Independence declared by President Ho CHi Minh. At this mean time, no allied troops landed or existed in Vietnam. And during the war with American, China supported us as its concerns about threatenings from the U.S. and push the was as far from its border as possible. In some senses, China wants to drive us as what it has done with North Korea. What would be happened if Vietnamese government refused to follow Beijing''s policies? How could you explain why China grabbed Paracels from Vietnam without barking in 1974. And why did China support Polpot slaughtening Vietnamese innocences in provinces located belong Vietnam''s south-west border? More immorally and inhumanly, in Feb. 17th 1979, China lauched a war against Vietnam, killing out people and distroying cities, towns, schools, and hospitals. As the result, what China learn from its war at Vietnam is a nightmare and a shame lesson. Although we have finally won the war but we would like to keep peace for both countries by ignoring this shame war. However, criminal traces made by bloody hands of China''s red-army are still existing somewhere in Lang Son and other cities. Yes, we could forgive but never forget.
3) About the first point of the third "good thing", you are right, both Vietnam and China get benefit from trade and economic co-operation. However, Chinese enterprises unfairly attack our economy by smugging goods aross the border. In combine with unfairly exchange rate between VND and Yuan which has always been determined *****pport Chinese exporters, ilegally importing cheaper and poor-quality goods kills our manufacturing factors. For the second point, we better to ignore it.
In short, China has done bad things for Vietnam while its people''s brains have been washing by Chinese government''s propaganda that China has done "good things" for Vietnam. However, it shold be recognized that these were actually "good things" that China has done for Vietnam such as: -
1) China taught us how *****rvive, how to defend in a total war against a stronger enemy. Over 1000 years struggling against China ocupation helps hardening Vietnamese soldiers and people. Repeatedly defending China''s invasions during the last 800 years strengthens our country and people. That is a reason why we have won both wars with French and the US. Yes, it is a bloody and costly but worthy lesson.
2) China helps my country to born heroes such as Ly Thuong Kiet, Tran Hung Dao, Le loi, Quang Trung, and etc. All of them are known as national heroes who lead Vietnamese to gain the victories in all wars against China invasions. We admire and are proud of them.
To conclude, it would be happy since Vietnam and China currently have a good relationship. People of both countries live and co-operate in peace with honors instead of a bloody and horible history. That benefits everyone. However, as what we have learned from our history, our people have always been aware of threatenings from Chinese ambitions. We never forget that Paracels and Spratly are part of Vietnam. For us, there is nothing more precious than our land which protected by the blood of Vietnamese generations, by the tears of our innocences, by the sweat of our children. We won''t let even an inch of land belong to invaders. We are responsible for taking back our land which ilegally taken over by invaders.
BTW, one thing you should learn is a lesson that Vietnamese people have taught Chinese how to grow rice in paddies. So, let state that Vietnamese have done a good thing for China, helping them *****rvive by growing rice and thus increase its population. LOL

Các bác cố lên, tôi chỉ có thể cãi giữ lửa với bọn chúng thôi.