B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber shot down

B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber shot down
One American B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber (possibly AV-8 88-0329 Spirit of Missouri) was shot down on 05-20-99 over Surcin at 01:00 local time. The aircraft crashed near the village of Dec (Detch), Pecinci county (in the field between Simanovci and Kupinovo; map 1; map2; map 3). The flight of three B-2As (normally B-2A fly in pairs, one acting as a backup for another) entered Yugoslavian airspace from the northwest and was escorted by several fighter aircraft (B-2As are usually escorted over Yugoslavia by F-15C fighters and F-16CJ fighter/bombers in SEAD role; every mission of B-2As requires about 50 escort and support aircraft). The B-2As were detected by long-wave early-warning radars. The bombers reduced altitude and attacked its targets in Belgrade. One of the B-2As was hit by a SAM in the area of the ****pit and crashed shortly after. Crew was killed in the crash. The incident was reported by Ilustrovana Politika magazine on 06-01-99.

Hoá ra B2 cũng bị SAM bắn rụng như thường các bác nhỉ



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A Lost Illusion
It''s now official - Americans lost their pride and joy: at least one of USAF''s stealthiest aircraft, the F-117A Night Hawk, is lost to Yugoslav anti-aircraft defenses. Russian Minister of Defence Igor Sergeyev announced that the stealthiest of the world''s aircraft was brough down by two SA-6 surface-to-air missiles. Yugoslav Air Force officials said that the F-117 was also hit by one AAM launched from a MiG fighter aircraft. The downing of the "invisible" plane follows an announcement by NATO''s command that they "feel comfortable" sending NATO pilots on low-altitude, low-speed missions over Yugoslavia, now that Yugoslav air defenses are "effectively suppressed." Pentagon now officially confirmed that the F-117A was tracked by an unidentified ground radar and that two SAMs were fired at the aircraft. First reports suggested that the F-117A might have been tracked by a Czech-made Tamara passive radar - three passive receivers, each mounted a truck. Yugoslavia operates such radars in a somewhat modified form. However, latest information suggest that the F-117A was tracked by an old Soviet radar - a mid-1950s radar operating in 165-190cm wavelength range. According to American aircraft designers and military, long-wave radars present a serious threat to stealth aircraft operated by the US. More info here.
Civilian witnesses to the downing of the F-117A said that they observed SAMs being launched and anti-aircraft artillery being fired in the same direction from which shortly after a "ball of fire" appeared and crashed into the ground. This was a 45-million-dollar USAF F-117A. The American pilot ejected and, according to NATO, was picked up by friendly forces (perhaps a rescue team). NATO spokesperson said that the pilots is in good shape. I find this questionable, however, because NATO also claims to have no knowledge as to the details of the F-177''s loss. This either means that these "unknown" details are very grim for NATO''s immediate plans of low-altitude bombing, or that the pilot is not OK. In any case, I am glad that the pilot is alive and I am even happier that he wasn''t picked up by Serb soldiers. ABC News has recently published the details of the rescue operation: "...the rescue of the pilot of a stealth fighter jet downed northwest of Belgrade on Saturday was led by the Air Force using ?oPavelow? and ?oPavehawk? helicopters. The helicopters are specifically modified with global navigation systems and sophisticated radar allowing them to hug the terrain and avoid enemy detection.
Once he parachuted to earth, the pilot most likely signaled his location with a handheld transmitter.
The pilot was picked up by the smaller Pavehawk and flown back to his squadron at Aviano Air Base in Northern Italy.
Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said the jet?Ts downing wouldn?Tt affect the expanded attacks. A senior U.S. defense official said there are strong indications that the aircraft was hit by a surface-to-air missile."
There is still some confusion in the press in regard to the model of SAM system that brought down the F-117A. Many American newspapers mistakenly call the system SA-3 (or even SA-7), while it was actually the SA-6 Kub self-propelled SAM system. This system has a triple-missile launcher (called among NATO pilots as "three fingers of death") mounted on a tracked chassis. Pentagon announced that the F-117A was indeed tracked by a Yugoslav ground radar and two SA-6 missiles were fired at the "invisible" aircraft. The doomed F-117A took off from the Aviano base in Italy, released its payload of precision bombs over Yugoslavia and was heading back to its base. The F-117A was detected by a ground radar and shot down by SAMs and probably by a AAA or a fighter aircraft, since there are bullet holes visible in the wing of the aircraft''s wreck. The unidentified pilot ejected and landed some two miles away from the crash site. At 15:00 EST the pilot was reported missing and an USAF rescue team was dispatched on a HH-60G helicopter(s) protected by several NATO fighters. At 21:35 EST the pilot was picked up by the rescue team. At 21:52 EST the rescued pilot and the rescue team were out of Yugoslavia heading for the Aviano base in Italy.
Soon after, Yugoslav television showed a video footage shot by the military on the scene of the Night Hawk''s final landing. I was really enjoying an argument between two BBC reporters one of whom was claiming that a military aviation expert "determined" that the wreckage shown was that of F-15E strike aircraft. I know one expert like this... Interestingly enough, Adolph Clinton said he''s "...tremendously proud of the skills of the pilot...", in reference to the pilot of the destroyed F-117. Perhaps now American aircraft should be expected to go down in packs, as other US pilots will be anxious to deserve their president''s "tremendous pride."
HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE, N.M. -- Half a world away from the site in Yugoslavia where an American F-117 stealth bomber crashed, the flier''s home base commander defended the warplane Sunday as a "premier weapon system," and vowed to send "a couple dozen more," if asked. "They are not invulnerable, they are not invisible, they are `low observable,''` the commander, Brig. Gen. William Lake, said at a news conference held here against the backdrop of a desert mesa. Rain was not a factor in the crash, said the commander of a base where pilots are accustomed to flying the cloudless blue skies of southern New Mexico. Asked if the kind of older radar used by Yugoslavia might have picked up the plane, he declined to answer. Although he described the jet as a top-secret plane, he said that NATO bombers have not returned to the site to destroy the wreckage.
New photos of the shot down F-117A here. A video here (3,551Kb, mpeg)
An official report by the Russian National News Service (03-28-99, www.nns.ru) indicated that a second F-117A was shot down shortly after. According to the report, Yugoslavs still haven''t used their most advanced SAM systems, trying to save them until NATO resorts to low-altitude bombing strategy. In order to take out Serb tanks and artillery in Kosovo, NATO has no other choice but to send its ground strike aircraft on low-altitude, low-speed missions over Yugoslav army positions, well protected by advanced SAMs and anti-aircraft artillery. Serbs are also known to have a large number of modern man-portable SAM launchers that have proven to be exceptionally effective against low-flying aircraft in the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea. NATO may also be forced to use Apache helicopters against Serb tanks. Americans currently have 24 AH-64D Apache helicopters stationed in Bosnia. Helicopters present a particularly easy target for portable SAMs.
There is little question that a loss of the F-117A "stealth fighter" is a serious compromise of the aircraft''s classified technology and, as a result, to F-117''s effectiveness in the future. The wreckage of the plane will most certainly be analyzed by the Serbs and probably by the Russians as well. What information can possibly be extracted for a heavily burned wreck? Plenty, including the chemical composition of the materials used for the aircraft''s construction and for its radar wave-absorbent coatings. I think that now it is entirely in Yugoslavia''s interests to get the wreckage to Russia as soon as possible.
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Xác của F-117A Night Hawk.
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NATO said it lost one F-16CG fighter aircraft on May 1, 1999but NATO and Pentagon officials contradict each other on the details
Before presenting you with my argument and speculations, here are two reports regarding the loss of an F-16CG fighter aircraft over Yugoslavia:
"A U.S. F-16CG aircraft returning from a combat mission as part of Operation ALLIED FORCE crashed near Metic, Yugoslavia at about 9 p.m. (EDT), Saturday. The pilot ejected and was recovered. He is currently at a NATO base and appears to be in good con***ion. The cause of the crash is not known. The incident is under investigation. There is no more information available at this time" -- Office of Assistant Secretary of Defense
"...an F-16CJ fighter aircraft crashed 18km east of the town of Kozluk, near the border with Bosnia in the early hours on Sunday." -- NATO Headquarters, Brussels
I don''t know about you, but I have noticed one serious problem with the two reports: the location of the crash site. According to the Americans, the plane crashed in Metic, which is in the vicinity of the Croatian border. NATO, on the other hand, insists that the plane went down 18km from Kozluk near Bosnian border. And, yet, the remains of the plane were photographed and videotaped soutwest of Sabac in the area of mountain Cer, near the village of Nakucani (see the map on this page). This is almost 60km away from Metic.
Considering that NATO managed to rescue the pilot of the downed aircraft, we can safely rule out that the discrepancy between the two reports - from Washington and Brussels - is a result of some momentary confusion: at the time the reports were filed, both NATO and the US Department of Defense knew precisely where the F-16CG went down. The only remaining logical explanation for the discrepancy is that NATO and the Department of Defense reported two separate incidents and later decided to "join" their efforts.
And there is another significant difference between the American and NATO accounts of the incident: during a press conference in Brussels on 05-02-99, NATO''s representative, Colonel Konrad Freytag, mentioned that the F-16 fighter, which crashed in Yugoslavia, was an F-16CJ model. On the other hand, all American official reports indicated that the aircraft was an F-16CG model. There is a considerable difference between the two.
I will leave you with this thought, not wishing to force my personal opinion on you. This is just something to think about during your coffee break. You have the two reports above and maps to clear up this problem for yourself. I am sure that those, who have more free time on their hands, will be able to dig up more information on the incident (and, hopefully, let me know if anything interesting is uncovered).
Venik
May 6, 1999
P.S. A report by Associated Press, insists that the aircraft shot down on 05-02-99 was an F-16CJ. The report describes the details of awards given out to several US pilots in connection with the operation Allied Force. Here is an interesting quote from this report: "One of the other Silver Star recipients also was involved in the rescue of a downed U.S. pilot, though in much different circumstances. Kavlick, 32, from Festus, Mo., was flying lead in a group of F-16CJs on a mission to destroy Serb SA-3 and SA-6 surface-to-air missile batteries near the city of Novi Sad on May 2 when his wingman was struck by an SA-3 missile, causing engine failure and forcing the pilot to eject." As you can see, again there is a discrepancy in the type of aircraft shot down. At least now we know that the F-16, whatever model, was brought down by an SA-3 missile and not a technical malfunction as was originally stated by NATO officials.
F-16CG cũng bị Sa3 bắn hạ
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313. 24.05. 16:00 Novi Sad F-16
314. 25.05. 3:00 Belgrade
315. between villages Dragomance and Kaince, near Kumanovo, Macedonia Aircraft was spewing thick black smoke before it started losing altitude only to crash several moments later
316. 14:25 Ostruznica, near Belgrade Aircraft shot down by a soldier G.D. with Strela-1M missile system. Confirmed by numerous eyewitnesses and Radio Novosti
317. 21:33 Zaplanje, near Nis
318. 26.05. 0:30 Novi Sad One aircraft shot down with a missile
319. 1:10 Petrovac on river Mlava
320. 1:10 Novi Sad One NATO aircraft hit by a missile.
Immediately after that, plane started spewing black smoke and headed for Hungarian airspace where it crashed. Confirmed by numerous eyewitnesses
321. 1:20 Novi Sad
322. 1:35 area between villages Malo Crnice and Bozevac, near Petrovac on river Mlava, According to first information, one Harrier was shot down. Plane was hit and after that, it jettisoned its fuel tank over Aleksandrovac, only to crash several moments later, probably near the peak called Vukan on Mt. Homolje. There has been some misinformation because the fuel tank belongs to a Tornado aircraft
323. 3:19 south of Radujevac, near Negotin According to reports from the area, one aircraft was shot down. Reports say that crew ejected near Yugoslav-Romanian-Bulgarian border. The plane crashed on the Romanian bank of the Danube. At the same time, NATO helicopters were flying intensively on the Romanian side of the border.
324. area around Nis One plane shot down over the town. Aircraft crashed near Zaplanjske Toponice. Pilot ejected
325. 11:10 area between Kosovska Vitina and Letnica One French Crecerelle UAV shot down
326. around 23:00 village Gredice, 5km east of Brcko, Bosnia One SFOR helicopter OH-58 Kiowa crashed. Crew of two uninjured
327. 23:18 Mt. Avala, south of Belgrade Three NATO aircraft hit and damaged by air defense forces. Confirmed by an eyewitness. One of the aircraft could have been a Harrier and it crashed near Smederevo.
328.
329.
330. 23:25 southeast of Mt. Avala A NATO F-16 crashed into Lipovacka suma
331. 27.05. 0:00 Karaburma, Belgrade
332. 1:25 Ralja, south of Belgrade
333. 2:05 Batajnica, near Belgrade
334. 2:07 Vozdovac, Belgrade One NATO aircraft hit by a missile. Plane shot down after several AAA rounds hit it after that. Confirmed by an eyewitness
335. 2:17 Mt. Avala, south of Belgrade
336. around 13:00 near Kumanovo, Macedonia One UAV crashed after being hit by Yugoslav air defense over Kosovo
337. 17:30 village Brcak, Kosovo One UAV shot down
338. 17:30 Grebnica, Bosnia
339. 12:32 Valdanos One UAV shot down by Yugoslav Navy forces. Aircraft crashed on the road Bar-Ulcinj
340. 28.05. 0:45 Nis Aircraft crashed 15km northwest of Nis. Pilot ejected
341. 0:50 Nis Aircraft crashed several kilometers northwest of Nis. Pilot killed
342. 1:21 Nis Three (3!!!) NATO aircraft shot down. Two of them crashed in the Bulgarian border region, southeast of Nis and the third near Razanj. Crashes confirmed by military border patrols and local villagers
343.
344.
345. 5:30 Novi Sad One aircraft hit with SAM. Plane headed toward southeast, over Fruska Gora mountain leaving a thick gray trail behind
346. 9:15 Boka Kotorska bay One American Hunter UAV shot down by Yugoslav Navy air defensee
347. 13:40 Nis Aircraft crashed onto Selicevica mountain, southeast of Nis. Pilot ejected
348. 13:43 area between mountains Vodno and Kitka, near Skopje F-16. Pilot ejected and was soon transported by two NATO helicopters into a hospital in Skopje
349. around 16:00 Golubinci, near Stara Pazova One aircraft exploded in the air after a direct hit. Two planes from the escort quickly turned around and left for Croatia. Confirmed by many eyewitnesses
350. 21:16 Skopje, Macedonia
350.a 29.05. 0:45 Lok, Vojvodina One NATO aircraft was damaged, 2 km north of Lok (near Titel, central Vojvodina), by soldier Ljubomir Putnik (battery commander: 2nd Lt. Branislav Kesic) with Strela-2M. Aircraft escaped using afterburner but Strela detonated very near the exhaust pipe and damaged it. The aircraft made an emergency landing in Hungary.
350.b 1:10 Lok, Vojvodina One Tornado shot down, 3km southeast of Lok by soldier Zoran Stankovic (Branislav Kesic''s battery) with Igla-1. Aircraft probably tried to reach Tuzla airfield but crashed several kilometers east of Sremska Mitrovica. Crew didn''t eject and was killed.
351. around 2:00 between Batajnica and Ugrinovci, northwest of Belgrade One aircraft hit over Batajnica and crashed near Vojka. Pilot ejected
352. around 2:00 area between Banovo Brdo and Batajnica F-16C was hit and crashed several minutes later near Ruma (north)
353. 2:13 Cukarica, Belgrade One aircraft exploded while airborne after a direct missile hit and crashed near Borca
354. 15:45 Nis Aircraft hit over the city. Plane headed for Sicevo, east of Nis but exploded on route. Pilot killed
355. around 17:00 Dramic, near Novi Pazar German CL-289 UAV shot down
355. 30.05. 0:30 Ivanovo, near Belgrade One aircraft (according to report from Romania, French Mirage 2000) hit with Strela-2M portable SAM. Plane jettisoned its fuel tank nearIvanovo and its armament near villages Idvor and Kovacica. Romanian sources say that the aircraft crashed near Temisoara in Romania.
357. 1:45 south of Nis F/A-18 Hornet. Pilot killed
358. 3:58 south of Nis F/A-18 Hornet. Pilot ejected and was captured near Zitni Potok, south of Prokuplje
359. 9:30 area between Zemun and Bezanijska Kosa One aircraft shot down (according to reports, either F-16 or F/A-18)
360. around 12:00 mountain Kitka, near Skopje One F-16 crashed on the mountain slopes after being hit over Kosovo. Villagers confirmed that they saw a plane spiralling down followed by dense black smoke. Shortly after, two helicopters were seen flying in that direction
361. afternoon St. Nikola (Sveti Nikola), Macedonia The inhabitants of St. Nikola, northeastern Macedonia, saw one aircraft fall. The villagers found the remains of the plane but NATO helicopters arrived soon, gathered the scattered parts and ferried them to one of their bases
361.a Danube river, near Borovo Selo one NATO plane crashed into Danube, near Borovo Selo (close to Osijek), while pilot ejected over Vojvodina (Backa area)
362. 31.05. around 4:00 near Belgrade Two NATO planes hit and damaged
363.
364. village Tabanovce, near Yugoslav-Macedonian border Crash of the UAV confimed by local villagers. NATO forces arrived shortly after to pick up the pieces
365. morning village Sopot, Macedonia One NATO aircraft (most probably US A-10A that was hit over Kosovo) barely managed to limp across the Yugoslav-Macedonian border, crashing near the Macedonian village
366. around 12:00 Mt. Vodno, near Skopje One NATO aircraft shot down, most probably by Yugoslav Mig-29. Pilot ejected
367. 14:10 Sabac One aircraft hit by a missile. Immediately after that, plane jettisoned its fuel tank and headed for Bosnia airspace. From the report of local villagers, plane crashed in the eastern part of Bosnia, near Bijeljina. By the remains of the fuel tank, the aircraft is an F-16. Whole incident was televized by RTS
368. 22:00 village Velike Hoce, near Prizren A-10A Thunderbolt II
369. 01.06. 4:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One aircraft hit over Fruska Gora mountain headed in direction of Sabac, probably to make an emergency landing on Tuzla airfield
370. 19:50 Srem, Vojvodina B-2A shot down. Aircraft crashed into Forest of Spacva, eastern Croatia. According to the unofficial reports, the aircraft in queston is Spirit of Washington ser. no. AV-11 88-0332 but that is still unconfirmed
371. 22:30 Stolivo UAV shot down by Yugoslav Navy
372. 02.06. 1:35 village Grabovac In the region of village, one aircraft shot down
373. 1:45 village Drazevac, near Belgrade One aircraft shot down. Pilot ejected
374. around 12:00 Kosovo One A-10A was hit over Kosovo. Pilot tried to crash-land his damaged plane at Petrovec airfield, Skopje but failed and crashed on the runway itself
375. 14:02 Mt. Suva (Suva planina) F-15E Strike Eagle shot down and crashed on the mountain slopes
376. 22:00 Backa Palanka UAV shot down
377. Cenej, north of Novi Sad UAV shot down
378. Kovilj, east of Novi Sad NATO aircraft was shot down by an AAA (probably L70 Bofors). Pilot ejected and was captured by the same AAA unit that shot him down. Later on, he was handed over to a military police unit
379. 03.06. 10:30 Novi Sad One NATO aircraft hit and damaged. Plane headed for Romania
380. 06.06. 17:30 region of Slavonia, Croatia Unofficial reports indicate that a NATO aircraft crashed. Eyewitnesses claim that during the fall the plane was missing an engine, and was followed by a rescue helicopter
381. 07.06. between 0:12 and 0:40 area between Slankamen and Indjija One large bomber (most probably B-52) was shot down. Aircraft exploded after a direct SAM hit. Crew killed
382. 0:34 Batajnica, near Belgrade
383. 0:48 Jabucki Rit, near Pancevo Aircraft exploded after a SAM hit
384. 0:50 Belgrade Aircraft shot down and crashed in the area between Batajnica and Surcin
385. 0:53 near Belgrade
386. 11.06. airfield Petrovec, Skopje One NATO combat jet (according to reports, an F-16) landed with battle damage, escorted by another (presumably US) aircraft.
387. Kukes, Albania An RAF C-130K Hercules C.1 XV 298 transport aircraft from RAF Lyneham crashed on 06-11-99 in Albanian town of Kukes, while attempting to land on a dirt airstrip built by UAE humanitarian mission in Albania. The aircraft was carrying 12 people and ammunition. It exploded upon impact. According to NATO spokesman, one persona on board was injured and hospitalized.
388. 13.06. 8:30 Aviano airbase, Italy One F-15 appeared to have been damaged and was approached by fire and ambulance immediately upon landing
Trên đây là bảng kê chi tiết ngày giờ, địa điểm và loại máy bay bị bắn hạ tại Nam Tư năm 1999. Hoá ra bọn Nam Tư cũng bắn được khá nhiều phải không các bác?
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Ảnh thì chưa thấy , nhưng tin thì có đấy
http://www.vif2.ru/users/active/venik/nws001/b2down001.htm
http://www.agitprop.org.au/stopnato/19990609b2stealth.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38f25c3e0c32.htm

Trang web này có địa chỉ cũ là vif.ru, địa chỉ mới là aeronautics.ru - cùng của một thanh niên tên là Venik đang học vật lý tại Mỹ. (Không biết bây giờ đã tốt nghiệp chưa)
Chính site này đã từng đưa tin (có cả ảnh) một F-15 bị SAM của Nam Tư bắn rơi. Ảnh chụp một bộ phận đuôi có dòng chữ tiếng Anh INSP xxxxx, kèm theo một số gì đó. Sau đó dân chuyên nghiệp lần ra rằng màu sơn trên đuôi đó là màu của Mig-29, và INSP xxxxx là con số đóng dấu của đoàn thanh tra LHQ khi thanh tra vũ khí trong cuộc nội chiến Nam Tư trước đó (INSP - Inspection). Tóm lại đó chính là một mảnh đuôi Mig-29 của không quân Nam Tư.
Cũng site này đã từng chụp ảnh một F-16 "bị bắn rơi" khác, nhưng cuối cùng hoá ra là thùng dầu phụ của máy bay vứt đi.
Site này cũng đã rất giận dữ tố cáo một tàu ngầm thuộc Los Angeles class đầm vào làm tàu Kursk bị chìm. Anh chàng này đưa ra những lý lẽ rất thuyết phục, ví dụ như sau tai nạn có một tàu ngầm Mỹ xin cập bến khẩn cấp trong hải cảng của Na Uy, trên hiện trường vụ tai nạn còn lại một phao cứu sinh loại trang bị cho US Navy, v.v.. Anh ta cũng bác bỏ thẳng thừng giả thuyết của các chuyên gia quân sự NATO là do ngư lôi tàu Kursk bị nổ vì sử dụng nhiên liệu không an toàn. Sau này kết quả điều tra chính thức của quân đội Nga giống hệt với nghi vấn của NATO. Không biết bây giờ anh chàng này còn giữ mấy bài đó trên site hay không.
Một số website khác cũng lấy nguồn tin từ đây, nhưng có vẻ đều là các website của các cá nhân hoặc nhóm thảo luận không có uy tín.
Có một sai sót có thể nhận thấy ngay trong mẩu tin trên, đó là B2 không có máy bay hộ tống đi kèm mà chỉ bay một mình, cất cánh từ căn cứ trong lãnh thổ Mỹ (căn cứ White.. something ). Nếu một người vô hình đi cùng một đống vệ sĩ thì vô hình làm gì? . Ngoài ra B2 mang cruise missile, thường bắn từ xa (ngoài biển chẳng hạn) , vượt xa tầm với của SAM.
Website bác lekien đưa hôm trước (www.acig.org) có vẻ là một nguồn rất nghiêm túc, có trình độ. Ví dụ nỗ lực của họ trong việc xác định đích xác từng máy bay bị bắn hạ trong một cuộc chiến một cách thận trọng, xác minh từ nhiều nguồn khác nhau của nhiều bên.
Tìm thông tin trên internet thì nhiều, nhưng tìm được nguồn tin cậy thì rất khó.

Le Van Le

Được levanle2001 sửa chữa / chuyển vào 00:45 ngày 07/08/2003

Dựa theo những lý lẽ thuyết phục của các bác, tôi xin phép khoá topic này lại vì nó đưa tin không chính xác. Xin cám ơn các bác.
Lang Thang Vất Vơ ( random walker )

Đâu nhất thiết phải khoá lại đâu bác ,để thảo luận tự do như thế mới phân tích cho ta thấy thông tin từ Internet muôn hình vạn trạng luôn có cái đúng cái sai ,trước giờ em vào www.aeronautics.ru thì nhiều và rất khâm phục anh chàng Veknik về việc anh ta biết tận dụng kiến thức Vật Lý để tìm hiểu các cấu trúc quân sự phức tạp và anh ta chịu khó sưu tập thông tin và hình ảnh,em vào đấy download được khối hình và phim để dành từ từ mà xem đấy chứ.

With these advanced weapon the WW3 will be fought ,but in the WW4 they will fight with sticks and stones (Albert Einstein)