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Căng thẳng biên giới Ấn Độ - Pakistan

Chủ đề trong 'Kỹ thuật quân sự nước ngoài' bởi SuperSukhoi, 27/02/2019.

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    Mất 1 tháng để đếm hơn 40 máy bay =))
    Xem ra đảng BJP của ngài Modi lại thêm khó khăn rồi. Rõ ràng là đã giữ thể diện và phần lợi ích cho các bên tham gia rồi mà vẫn bị chơi. Có lẽ nào đảng quốc đại lại đi đêm với chú sam , mở lại cửa cho f21 nếu ...
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    Vẫn nguồn ET.
    Ấn nói trinh sát điện tử thu được các cuộc đối thoại của máy bay Pak, có vẻ F16 đã mất liên lạc và không trở về căn cứ.
    Các cuộc điện đàm vô tuyến còn cho thấy quân đội Pak phát hiện hai phi công, 1 là của Mig 21 bị bắt giữ và 1 phi công khác được đưa vào BV quân y- chắc phi công F16 ???

    NEW DELHI: A Pakistani fighter aircraft of a particular ‘call sign’ went missing after IAF’s Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shot it down using his MiG-21 Bison jet during the February 27 dogfight with the Pakistan Air Force.

    Top IAF sources on Friday said that the Pakistani aircraft was a F-16 and enemy radio transmissions which were monitored showed that it didn’t return to its base.


    The aircraft was also not responding to radio transmission calls, indicating that it had been shot down by Varthaman. This crucial evidence is among many which were shown by Indian Air Force (IAF) sources. The IAF has electronic signatures presented by its Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) aircraft which show that F-16s were used by Pakistan on February 27. Importantly, the F-16 which was shot down, had disappeared about 8 to 10 seconds after Varthaman had fired at it.


    IAF also has wireless intercepts of the Pakistan military picked up by the Indian Army, which point to two pilots bailing out and then being caught by the Pakistan military. Three intercepts were shown pointing to Abhinandan’s capture and hospitalisation of the Pakistani F-16 pilot. All these evidences were presented as the IAF’s reiteration that one of its MiG-21 Bison aircraft had shot down an F-16 fighter aircraft during the aerial engagement with Pakistan Air Force (PAF), which took place west of Jhangar on the Line of Control. It was to rebut an article by American news publication, Foreign Policy, claiming that US officials recently counted Pakistan’s F-16s and found none missing.

    The IAF in a statement on Friday said that during the aerial engagement on February 27, one of its MiG-21 Bison shot down a F-16 in J&K’s Nowshera sector. “Indian forces have confirmed sighting ejections at two different places on that day. The two sightings were at places separated by atleast 8-10 km. One was an IAF MiG-21 Bison and the other a PAF aircraft. Electronic signatures gathered by us indicate that the PAF aircraft was a F-16,” said Air Vice Marshal R.G.K. Kapoor, assistant chief of air staff (Operations).

    Sources said the first parachute was sighted in Sabzkot, while the second one belonging to Varthaman was spotted in Tandar, both in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. There was a distance of about five to six km between the two pilots, including the F-16 one.

    The IAF’s AWACS had confirmed the electronic signatures of the F-16s. Sources also said the Radio Transmissions of the various Pakistani aircraft, which were involved in the aerial engagement, were monitored. The IAF became aware of the different call signs used for the Pakistani aircraft. These signs are codewords used to identify a particular equipment, in this case an aircraft. One of the call signs was of a F-16, which was shot down. “The RT (read as Radio Transmission) calls we had monitored, indicate that the F-16s were involved in the combat. One aircraft didn’t respond to the RT call,” said sources.


    “This aircraft of a particular call sign had also not returned,” they added. Out of the Pakistani aircraft, only a F-16 was shot down.

    Also, electronic support measures showed that the F-16 went down.

    The Indian Army had picked up wireless intercepts of Pakistan 7 Northern Light Infantry (NLI) to an ‘unidentified station’ on February 27. It claimed that two pilots were captured. “Ye enemy ka tabah hua hai jo parinda tha enemy ka tha unko wo jo dono parinde wale hain un dono ko pakad liya” (This is the enemy’s aircraft. Their two pilots have been captured) reads the intercept.

    Another intercept of the 7 NLI on the same day confirmed that one of the two pilots is with them and the other with the 658 Mujahid Battalion. “Enemy ka jo tabah huwa parinda wale pakad ke humne apni unit me laya abhi dusra bhi 658 wallon ne unko bhi pakad liya over”. (One of the two pilots is with us and the other with the 658 Mujahid Battalion), it reads.

    A third intercept reveals that Varthaman has been captured and the other pilot who was injured has been admitted to a military hospital in Mangla. “Wing Comd Abhi dusra zakhami CHM transfer. Dusra ek hai zakmi who CMH me hai.” (One is Abhinandan and the other injured has been transferred to the military hospital), it said.


    Sources said even Pakistan had officially pointed at having two pilots. The media wing of the Pakistan Armed Forces, the Inter-Services Public Relations, had posted on Twitter that two aircraft of India was shot down and one pilot was captured, while the other was hospitalised. Sources added that only one Indian aircraft was shot down and Pakistan’s statements only confirm that a F-16 was shot down.
    --- Gộp bài viết: 06/04/2019, Bài cũ từ: 06/04/2019 ---
    IAF reiterates the shootdown of a Pakistan Air Force F-16 in a detailed briefing and official statement to journalists.

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    Ấn làm đủ mọi cách để nói láo, che đậy sự thật là JF-17 bắn hạ 2 máy bay MiG, Mirage cũng như SPYDER bị JF-17 dùng ECM pod lừa bắn hạ Mi-17

    Hình ảnh thương vong của Ấn ngày 27-2-2019, bằng chứng ko thể chối cãi

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    Lieuninh thích bài này.
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    Mi 17 và Mig 21 thì quá rx rồi, cãi sao nổi.
    Giờ đang cãi nhau vụ F16 thôi.
    Ấn chỉ đưa bằng chứng về trinh sát điện tử, không thuyết phục.
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    Hôm thì bảo F16D Block 50/52 hôm thì bảo F16B Block 15/20 bó tay cho thằng cà ri, đã vậy còn ngu tới mức phán dùng F16B đi dogfight, đúng là thằng Ấn đụ này nói láo ko kém gì Tàu khựa

    Bọn Ấn ban đầu phán Mig 21 bắn hạ F16D Block 52

    https://twitter.com/kesaridhwaj/status/1101137704476180480

    https://theaviationist.com/2019/02/...oot-down-a-pakistan-air-force-f-16d-block-52/


    Pak mua 2 đợt F16 từ Jodarn, 1 đợt mua 16 máy bay, 1 đợt mua 13-14 chiếc, nguồn năm 2016 xác nhận, còn nguồn bịa của Ấn mới đăng thì bảo mua 12 chiếc tức là sai và láo toét

    “The case for the purchase of F-16s from the US is closed, we are now going for a third party transfer of F-16s and have an offer from Jordan,” Khattak said on Monday. Jordan offered Pakistan 16 used F-16 Block-30 fighter aircraft, an older F-16 version than the variants originally offered by the United States.

    This would not be the first Pakistani purchase from the Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF). In February 2014, Pakistan placed an order for an entire squadron of 14 (some sources say 13) F-16 A/Bs with the RJAF. Delivery of the F-16 aircraft began in April 2015.

    https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/us-...bad-mulling-jordan-f-16-fighter-jets-instead/
    https://defense-update.com/20140219_pakistan-receive-13-f-16s-jordan.html

    Nguồn Ấn độ 2016 cũng nói pak mua 13 máy bay chứ ko phải 12 như nguồn Ấn bịa hiện tại

    Pakistan has bought Jordanian F-16s before, procuring 13 of them in 2014, Dawn reported.

    https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...sed-F-16-jets-from-Jordan/article14422239.ece

    Nguồn Ấn hiện tại nói láo toét

    In February 2014, Pakistan had signed a deal with Jordan to purchase 13 F-16 aircraft, of which 12 were ‘A’ models and one was the ‘B’ model.

    https://theprint.in/defence/this-is...-f-16-fighter-jet-inventory-is-intact/217732/

    Nguồn Pak năm 2014 cũng nói mua 13 F16 và ko hề nói mua 1 hay 2 F16B như nguồn Ấn bịa dẫn link

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    1 nguồn Pak khác nói Pak mua 14 chiếc chứ ko phải 13, nguồn này cụ thể hơn vì nó là nguồn quân sự

    In 2014, Jordan sold 13 (or 14) F-16A/B Block-15 Air Defence Fighter (ADF) units to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The RJAF F-16s for sale this time are not ADF units, but complete MLU types, i.e. they are equipped with the same subsystems (e.g. Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System, Link-16, AN/APG-68v9 radar etc) as the MLU F-16s in service with the PAF.

    https://quwa.org/2016/07/04/jordan-put-15-f-16ab-mlu-sale-pakistan/

    Ảnh gốc từ trang F-16.net, trang web chuyên về tin tức F16 xác nhận

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    The PAF received the first 5 of 13 F-16s purchased from Jordan on April 27th, 2014 at Mushaf AB. The pilots who ferried the aircraft, the ambassador of the of Jordan Nawaf Khalifa Saraieh and senior PAF and army officers who attended the arrival ceremony are seen in this photo. [Irshad Sheikh photo]

    http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article4852.html

    1 điều cuối cùng là Mỹ vẫn chưa hề kết luận Pak dùng máy bay F16 đánh Ấn, mọi cáo buộc, bịa đặt của Ấn đều vô nghĩa
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    Báo Ấn Độ : BQP Mỹ bảo chả biết gì về vụ đếm F16 do tờ Foreign Policy đăng :))

    http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=584001&fbclid=IwAR0vAQZe2OLPzDq9XsSNitkEWaYYsjtqg8Qdu-BCwVkNeXLG6xPe7hndLD4

    The US defence department clearly stated that it had no information on any investigation involving its officials to check the status of F-16 fighter jets delivered to Pakistan. The statement comes a day after a US-based magazine quoted two senior US officials who contradicted India’s claim of having shot down a Pakistani F-16 jet on February 27 during a dogfight along the LoC.

    According to Foreign Policy magazine, US defence personnel recently visited Pakistan to inspect the status of its F-16 jets and found all of them intact. Following the report, Pakistan military spokesperson Major General Asif Ghafoor had said it was time India came clean on the “false claims” including the second aircraft shot down by Pakistan.

    The US defence department on Saturday told the Indian Media that they were unaware of their men carrying out any investigation on the F-16s.
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    Ấn Độ giờ cãi cùn như rồ Mỹ rồi kkkk =)) bọn Ấn tung tin Mỹ điều tra Pak - cuối cùng ko có kết quả, bọn Ấn cũng tung tin Mỹ đếm máy bay F16 - cuối cùng cũng chẳng có gì, thực tế ng Mỹ họ ko hề quan tâm tới những lời bịa đặt của Ấn, bởi đội ngũ giám sát F16 của Mỹ tại Pak luôn tục trực, Pak muốn đánh ai bằng F16 thì phải báo cáo cho Mỹ theo hiệp ước, nên ko có chuyện Pak dùng F-16 đánh nhau vs Ấn

    According to the cable, “The security notes also mandate a five-year, 24/7 US technology security presence for the F-16s. SAF/IA has determined that when fully in place, the US security presence should consist of 45 US personnel – 40 at Shahbaz (five US military and 35 contractors), and five in Islamabad (two US military, one US Government civilian, two contractors). The estimated cost of the US security presence is $30 million per year, or $150 million for the full five-year period.”

    The F-16 aircraft are subject to security restrictions that the aircraft, armaments, related equipment and technical data need to be housed at a separate air force base which does not have “non-US/non-Pakistani origin personnel and aircraft.” A January 2009 cable explained this further, stating that “there have been other US government concerns about illegal technology transfer relating to Pakistan’s co-production program with the JF-17 Chinese fighter aircraft.”

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/249874...-flew-in-with-guaranteed-us-presence-at-base/

    Gồm 1 Mirage 2000 (báo cáo ban đầu), 1 MiG-21, 1 MiG-27 (báo cáo ban đầu), 1 Mi-17. Tóm lại toàn là bọn Ấn tự biên tự diễn, còn tới tận 4 chiếc máy bay cùng hàng chục lính Ấn bị thiệt mạng
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    Indian Air Force releases new statement re the events of Feb 27, refuses to share any evidence of shooting down Pakistani F-16 'due to secrecy and confidentiality considerations'.
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    Indian Air Force (IAF) releases AWACS (Airborne Warning And Control System) radar images of encounter when Mig-21 was shot down
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    Hơn 1 tháng để show bằng chứng AWACS, cũng chẳng rõ có phải máy bay Pak hay Ấn, làm sao phân biệt được JF17 vs F16 trong khi cũng gần như tương tự nhau

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