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Buổi online meeting lần thứ 12 của chúng ta sẽ được dời vào :
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Được coldbutcool sửa chữa / chuyển vào 00:05 ngày 30/06/2006

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We do not have specific questions like the previous topics, so we have to be a little bit creative. We will use the criteria for the job as our questions.
+ Dynamic, enthusiastic, flexible
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+ The ability to work with people from different cultural backgrounds
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For each criterion, members in the group should rate the candidates from 1 through 4 (1 as being worst) and explain why they choose that way. The host will record the rating and add up the points at the end. Whoever gets the highest score will be qualified and hired for the job.
Everyone should read the case at least once. Otherwise we will waste a lot of time waiting for people to read and understand the matter. Come early and be prepared. See you all tomorrow.

The 13th Online Meeting
July 7, 2006, 9:45pm-11:45pm.
Ho Chi Minh city - my love

1. How long have you been in Ho Chi Minh city?
2. Could you share with us some of your unforgettable memories about this city?
3. If you are a tourist guide, please introduce our city in 5 minutes:
Suggested ideas:
- Some background (population/ history/ geography, etc) of Ho Chi Minh city
- Which places that visitors should go?
- What are outstanding points of Ho Chi Minh city?
4. In your opinion, what restaurants/coffee shops/bars/discotheques in Saigon are the best?
5. What make you love most in Ho Chi Minh city?
6. What problems/concerns of this city that you think they should be solve?
7. If you are the chairman of the city peoplê?Ts committee, what would you do?
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Geography
HCM City has an area of approximately 2,094 square kilometers. It is located from 10 10?T-10 38?T North and 106o2?T-106o54?T East. The city has Binh Duong Province in the north, Tay Ninh Province in the northwest, Dong Nai Province in the east and northeast, Ba Ria-Vung Tau Province in the southeast, and Long An and Tien Giang provinces in the west and southwest.
HCM City is 1,730km from Hanoi by land and is at the crossroads of international maritime routes. It is also at the center of Southeast Asia. The city center is 50km from the East Sea in a straight line. It is a transport hub of the southern region and a gateway to the world, having the largest port system and airport in Vietnam. Saigon Port can handle 10 million tons of cargo a year. Tan Son Nhat International Airport, 7km from the city center, has tens of international routes.
Notre Dame Cathedral

Saigon by night

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Saigonese: People With A Difference
Saigon in the pre-modern and modern eras became a big cultural and economic center within Vietnam and Southeast Asia. Has a 300-year culture formed a distinctive character for ?oSaigonesê??
Gia Dinh Thanh Thong Chi, a book written in 1820 by Trinh Hoai Duc, has this to say: ?oThe Gia Dinh area (the historic name for what is now the Ho Chi Minh City region) has a vast land area and a lot of food, so people like living in luxury and care little about saving. People come from different areas, and each family has its own practices. The land is near the sun and the climate is hot, so people respect faithfulness.? The next paragraph says: ?oGia Dinh has a southern location, so there are many determined and courageous people who respect faithfulness and despise wealth. Beautiful women are also abundant.?
John White, an Englishman, visited Saigon in the early 1820s. In 1824 he published in London A Voyage To Cochinchina, where he gives some impressions of Saigonese: ?oMany women are beautiful and have a fair complexion. Their deeds are very attractive but there is nothing indecent.? After taking a walk, he wrote: ?oWe are very pleased with what we see and we bring along the best impressions of the peoplê?Ts custom and disposition. The considerateness, kindness and hospitality we see have reached beyond all what we have so far observed in Asian countries, which makes it impossible for us to imagine that such a nation could be different.?
In 1937, writer Ho Bieu Chanh, who enjoyed fame in the south for his very southern-style writing, described a night market in Saigon: ?oAt big shops, people gather into a big crowd. Boys have a glossy hair; girls have bright red lips; old men hold a cigarette in their mouth and release smoke; a woman leads a group of her children, with an older child running ahead and a younger one following her calling to each other noisily; a group makes its way to buy shoes; another group hurries indoors; well-dressed people are with casually-dressed laborers. Everybody looks cheerful??
Like Hanoi, Saigon-HCM City is a melting pot. Hanoi is the capital, which had four districts for people from different areas to make a living. Ancient Saigon was also a melting pot. Phu Bien Tap Luc by Le Quy Don says Lord Nguyen encouraged wealthy people from Quang Nam, and the central and northern midland, to go south to reclaim the land from the forest and set up villages. Early migrants to Saigon were wealthy people, poor people suffering famine and crop failure due to war, craftspeople and merchants who sought a place for business, troops, designated officials (most of them were being disciplined by the State), criminals in exile, rascals, and even criminals . So migrants to Saigon were more diverse than those moving to Hanoi.
Trinh Hoai Duc also says in his book that not only Vietnamese but people from other countries gathered in the area. Saigon is at an international crossroads and is not far from shipping routes between north and south as well as east and west. With a diameter of about 2,500km, Saigon is a central point of Southeast Asia and is close to East Asia. Trinh Hoai Duc wrote: ?oIn Binh Duong and Tan Long districts, inhabitants are crowded; streets, markets and houses are side by side; and people speak languages like Cantonese, Hainanese, Western languages, and Thai. Ships come for trading, with hundreds of kinds of goods. Saigon is a big city in Gia Dinh. Nowhere else in the country can match it??
If Hanoi is an introverted city, Saigon is both a metropolis and an international port with a tendency of openness. In the mid 1800s, Pallu de la Barriere, a Western visitor to Saigon, remarked: ?oThousands of boats gather by the river bank and create a small floating city. Annamites, Indians and Chinese, and some French and Tagal (Filipino) soldiers walked to and fro, which created a strange scenê??
Among the first foreigners who migrated to Saigon in the largest number were Chinese, whose offspring are now part of Vietnam?Ts population and who are referred to as Vietnamese of Chinese origin. They were from coastal parts of southern China, including peasants, craftspeople, traders, mandarins and soldiers. They came to Saigon for many reasons, mainly to settle in a new land because they did not like their government. Chinese immigrants contributed to the establishment and development of ancient Saigon as well as the creation of a Saigonese character. The elements of Chinese culture in the southern culture are different from the northern culture because of the impact of these Chinese immigrants. Trinh Hoai Duc wrote: ?oGia Dinh is a newly exploited land of Vietnam. Our migrants, in conjunction with Tang people, Europeans (French, Britons, etc), Khmers, Javans, and Malays, live together in a concentrated and complicated manner.?
The first Vietnamese migrants to the south did not live in solitude. Saigon-Gia Dinh, before the big settlement push began in 1689, was not deserted. Ancient inhabitants are remembered by some minority groups in the southeastern region like Khmer, S?Ttieng, Ma and Chau Ro. This has been agreed upon by historians, archaeologists and ethnologists. Vietnamese migrants lived with these minority ethnic groups for a long time in their early days of settlement. Cultural exchanges between Vietnamese and other communities contributed to forming the Saigonese from the very early days.
One of the factors in creating the Saigonese is the geographical environment of Saigon. Hanoi and Hue people are different because of the differences between the natural and geographical con***ions of Hanoi and Hue, between the Red River and Huong River, and between a center of the northern delta and a hilly land in the central region. Saigon is near the equator and has a tropical climate with hot temperature and high humi***y, so this is convenient for plants and animals to grow. Saigon has two seasons: wet and dry. As it is on the borderline between the southeastern region with its mountains and hills and the Mekong Delta with its plains, Saigon has high land in its north and lower land in its south and southeast, with many rivers, streams and swamps. The Saigon River is a young river, linking Saigon with the sea. Thanks to the Saigon River, Saigon remains a port convenient for shipping even though it is more than 60km from the sea. Saigon River and the system of canals and streams in the city are affected by the tides. The natural environment of Saigon has strongly influenced the lifestyle and character of Saigonese.
It is difficult to answer clearly what Saigonese, Hanoians and Hue people are like. Trinh Hoai Duc and Nguyen Dinh Chieu described Saigonese as ?orespecting faithfulness and despising talent wealth.? Hanoians, Hue people and Saigonese are all Vietnamese. To some extent, Saigonese and southerners are not very different in their character from people in the other main centers. But a study of Saigonese does show that the natural, social and historical con***ions of the Saigon area have crafted a people with distinctive characteristics
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Được dirosemimi sửa chữa / chuyển vào 09:05 ngày 06/07/2006

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Được Satori sửa chữa / chuyển vào 02:22 ngày 08/07/2006

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14th Online Meeting
9:30pm-11:30pm
July 14, 2006
Is it acceptable to get live together before getting married?
1. Do you find it common when people have ***ual relationship before getting married?
2. Could you give us some positive and some negative examples of this style of living?
3. How do you think about this new modern trend? How many percent do you agree with it?
4. Why do people want to live together before taking a lifelong commitment?
5. Some people say "The fact that people living together before getting married debases Vietnamese tra***ional social values and goes against Oriental character"-How do you think about this opinion?
6. What will you do if your sweetheart suggests that you live together before marry?
7. Which one do you opt for:
+ Living together before getting married
+ Living together without getting married
+ Do not live together and married
+ Do not live together and do not marry (single life)
8. Discuss case study 1 and case study 2 below
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Case study 1:
Couples Should Live Together before Getting Married

In my mother''s house it was never discussed whether I should live with someone before marriage. In my culture, you are not allowed to live together until after you are married. Since I did not have the chance to live together with my husband while we were dating, it was difficult during our first year of marriage. We argued a lot, mostly because we were afraid of the unknown and the possibility that we had made a mistake. Living together before making our vows would have reassured us about a lifelong commitment. From my own experience, I believe that couples should live together before getting married, so they can start to know each other on a closer, more personal level; moreover, they can start thinking about the compatibility of their future spouse.

Couples start knowing each other on a closer, more personal level when they live together, which prepares them for a married lifestyle. For starters, you learn what your partner likes and dislikes, although this isn''t always easy. There is a lot to discover about your partner and from your partner; the only way to do this successfully is to move in together. For example, does he like broccoli, female mud wrestling, sleeping with the windows open? Maybe he likes to spend the whole weekend on the couch watching basketball! Believe it or not, it''s little details like these that can often make or break a relationship. Second, you learn what kind of bad habits you and your partner have and whether or not you can get rid of them. I really don''t like it when my husband forgets to fill the ice trays, forgets to replace the empty toilet paper holder, or leaves the toilet seat up; I, on the other hand, tend to forget to put perishables in the refrigerator after I take them out for cooking, and I leave the clothes in a pile, all wrinkled, when they come out of the dryer. Moreover, you can see how much fun you have with each other and realize how much you would miss by not getting married. Try to plan a vacation in advance, have a dinner date in town after work, or go to the movies on a Wednesday night when you know you have to get up for work the next morning. In other words, find out how romantic and imaginative your partner can be. Life can be tough and boring; it takes two creative and motivated people to keep a relationship alive.

I think that couples can make a wiser decision about the lifelong compatibility of their future spouse if they live together. To begin, you can learn if you or your partner is ready for marriage by seeing his or her reaction to the "m" word-marriage. You need to ask yourself if you are ready to have children with your partner, and if you are ready to stay with this person for the rest of your life through thick and thin. It is also beneficial to learn if you and your partner are both suited for monogamy; some people find it hard to be ***ually faithful to one person. In ad***ion, you can see how your partner reacts to real-life situations. If something dramatic happens to one of you, like a car accident or a major illness, what is his reaction going to be and how will he behave differently in private or in public? Perhaps he is the type of guy who talks big, but can''t handle life''s difficult moments or be a good caretaker. Finally, living together you won''t have the pressure of a marriage certificate hanging over your head, especially when some people have a real phobia about that little piece of paper. Living together means that the taxes are easier, you do not have expenses in case of a messy divorce, and you can make a lot of decisions before you enter into a relationship that is bad for your health, physically and emotionally. Being free of the pressures of marriage, you stand a better chance of knowing your partner as a real person.

If my mother read this essay, I don''t think she would be shocked or angry. She has lived in America for 12 years now and sees the wisdom in new tra***ions, such as couples living together before marriage. She has been a good listener when I had problems in my marriage, and since my father died, she has shared many of the problems they had as a young couple. I realize now how much she suffered, and I don''t think she would want anyone *****ffer like she did. Now she tells me: "you need to find your own way in life and be happy with your choices." This is the best advice that I can pass along to others, including my own children.
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Case Study 2:
What is it Like to be Married After Living Together?
I was married only 4 months ago after having been with my husband for 7 years, 5 of which we lived together. Since the wedding my husband has been acting completely different.
He has turned our garage into his domain, complete with carpet, couches, appliances and everything you would need in the perfect bachelor pad. He constantly has friends over and I am excluded. When he is not spending time in the garage he is on-line or playing interactive computer games with his friends. He rarely comes to bed at the same time as me, and just generally does not seem to be interested in sharing anything with me lately.
I understand that marriage is a huge change, but he never acted this way before, why now? He is the one that really pushed getting married, I was very hesitant because of my parents'' bad relationship. I even left him at one point 3 years ago because he was pressuring me so much. We discussed marriage at great length and both finally felt that it was the right time, so I do not understand his recent behavior.
Is this normal?