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    Xin phép bình luận chút xíu: so với các máy bay Mỹ cùng thế hệ thì kiểu dáng của Mig21 trông hơi hiền các bác nhỉ
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    Hiền thì giải quyết vấn đề gì, quan trọng là hiệu quả trong chiến đấu ấy chứ, F-4 của Mỹ trông khù khoằm nhưng khó lái.....sang VN ăn đòn liên tục.....
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    Kg biết trận địa phòng không của mình bảo vệ thủ đô thế nào, chứ lúc này em xem thời sự thấy hành lang an ninh quốc phòng bị lấn hết rồi. Ngay trước dàn tên lửa bảo vệ thủ đô (em nhìn kg rõ là SAM mấy) có 2 cái nhà 4 tầng to lù lù chắn hết. Rồi trận địa pháo 57 bị toà nhà 11 tầng của Vinaconex bảo kê luôn. Rõ là chán các bác ợ.
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    Anh em để ý sẽ nhìn thấy có 2 quả tên lửa, một quả phía ngoài là K-13 (Atoll-2) hồng ngoại. Quả trong đích thị là Radar homing R-2US (K-5).
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    Về lần ném bom của KQ VNCH ở Vinh:
    - Hơn 20 A-1 tham gia, không chiếc nào không bị trúng đạn.
    - Một chiếc bị bắn rơi (www.bangiakhongquan: phi công anh hùng Phạm Phú Quốc mất tích, mãi năm 95 mới thu hồi được xác nhờ công một nhà ngoại cảm miền Bắc)
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    Nguyen Cao Ky had first tasted true political power on the 13th of September 1964 when elements of two Vietnamese Army divisions took over downtown Saigon in a move to topple the government of Premier Nguyen Khanh. Ky stood firmly behind the premier and for several hours ran the country from his headquarters at Tan Son Nhut. By refusing to allow the air force to join the dissident army troops, he broke the back of the coup, and the rebels withdrew from the capital. General Moore, who spent most of that critical afternoon at VNAF headquarters, later drew a picture of Ky under pressure that was at variance with the popular perception of the air force commander. He described him as a man of maturity and strong character who throughout the crisis remained unshaken in his conviction that a coup at that time was not in the best interest of South Vietnam. He was not backing Khanh as an individual, Ky told the American general, but the Vietnamese
    people.?T
    After the September revolt, Ky had risen steadily in responsibility and respectability. By January 1965, he was a member of the Armed Forces Council that ousted yet another civilian government. At this time, he got his first purely political job as head of the Youth and Sports Ministry. Despite some objection, he retained command of the air force throughout his rise up the political ladder. On the 8th of February, he added to his prestige when he led a flight of twenty-four A-1s from Da Nang on the Flaming Dart raid over North Vietnam. Although the planes were greeted with heavy antiaircraft fire and every one was hit at least once, all but one returned to base after destroying an estimated ninety percent of the Vinh military complex. The daring and success of the raid sent a wave of pride through South Vietnam and elevated Ky to the stature of a hero"
    Nguồn: The war in the South of Vietnam - The year of offensive 65-68. Trang 60
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    Trong cuốn the Tales of two bridges của Đại uý Lavalle (trung tâm Lịch sử KQ Hoa kỳ) đề cập tới đánh phá cầu Hàm rồng Thanh hoá cho biết tại trang 26 :
    "Đến giữa tháng 6/1965 Bắc Việt đã có 70 máy bay Mig-15 và Mig-17. Đến tháng 12 thì bắt đầu được nhận Mig-21. Với sự giúp đỡ của Nga, hệ thống báo động sớm và radar đo cao cũng được nâng cấp". Với năng lực mới này, dẫn đường mặt đất GCI (ground controlled Intercept) của Việt nam có khả năng bao quát toàn bộ miền Bắc và phần lớn Vịnh Bắc bộ.
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    Chiếc F-4 bị Mig-19 của trung đoàn 925 bắn rơi ngày 10/05/1972.
    Nội dung:
    - Bị Mig-19 bắn cháy sau khi vừa bắn rơi một Mig-21 ngay trước đó.
    - Đồng đội không thấy dù nào bung ra. Không có tín hiệu cấp cứu.
    - 3 tuần sau F-4 bay qua bỗng nhiên nghe có tín hiệu liên lạc, và đã nói chuyện được với người phi công bị bắn rơi.
    - Ngay lập tức trực thăng và A-1 được phái tới. Đây là khu vực cực kỳ nguy hiểm vì chỉ cách sân bay Yên bái có dưới 10km, nơi có phòng không rất mạnh và rất kín kẽ.
    - Có phải là bẫy của Việt nam? không ai tin sau 3 tuần mà phi công vẫn còn sống trong khu vực bảo vệ nghiêm ngặt đến như vậy.
    - Trực thăng không định vị được chính xác vị trí. A-1 bị phòng không đánh mạnh. Một Mig-21 bay qua 2 lần với tốc độ cao. Quyết định hoãn cứu hộ 1 ngày.
    - Tổ cứu hộ tới định vị được phi công và bay với độ cao chỉ 50 feets (15m) để tránh SAM và cao xạ. F-4 ném bom chế áp các trạm phòng không cho tổ cứu hộ rảnh tay. Súng bắn lên giữ dội từ các làng xóm.
    - Đã cứu được phi công. Người này nói phi công còn lại cũng đã thoát ra khỏi máy bay. Mỹ cho vào diện MIA, nghi bị bắt. Năm 73 không thấy được trả lại.
    - Năm 77, Bắc Việt tìm ra thi hài và trả lại cho Mỹ.
    http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/l/l068.htm
    LODGE, ROBERT ALFRED
    Remains returned 30 September 1977
    Name: Robert Alfred Lodge
    Rank/Branch: O4/US Air Force
    Unit: 432nd Tactical Reconnaissance Wing, Udorn AB TH
    Date of Birth: 30 June 1941
    Home City of Record: Lynbrook NY
    Date of Loss: 10 May 1972
    Country of Loss: North Vietnam
    Loss Coordinates: 214603N 1045900E (VK983069)
    Status (in 1973): Missing in Action
    Category: 2
    Acft/Vehicle/Ground: F4D
    Refno: 1849
    Other Personnel in Incident: Robert Locher (rescued)
    Source: Compiled by Homecoming II Project 15 March 1991 from one or more of
    the following: raw data from U.S. Government agency sources, correspondence
    with POW/MIA families, published sources, interviews. Updated by the P.O.W.
    NETWORK 1998.
    REMARKS: REMS RET BY SRV 770930
    SYNOPSIS: In the spring of 1972, the U.S. formulated the LINEBACKER
    offensive. Its objective was to keep the weapons of war out of North
    Vietnam. At this time, the North Vietnamese had one of the best air defense
    systems in the world, with excellent radar integration of SA-2 SAMs, MiGs,
    and antiaircraft artillery. The NVN defense system could counter our forces
    from ground level up to nineteen miles in the air. MiG fighters were on
    ready alert, and after takeoff, were vectored by ground-control radar.
    Soviet advisors devised attack strategies, manned a number of the SAM sites,
    and also trained North Vietnamese crews.
    On the first strike day, a strike force of 32 F4s launched against the Paul
    Doumer Bridge and the Yen Vien railroad yard near downtown Hanoi. The North
    Vietnamese strongly defended these targets, firing a large number of SAMs
    and sending 41 MiGs to intercept the U.S. attackers.
    After shooting down a MiG-21, one of the F4D MIGCAP aircraft was shot down
    by one of more MiG-19s near Yen Bai, North Vietnam. Maj. Robert A. Lodge was
    the pilot of the F4D, callsign Oyster 1. His Weapons Systems Officer was
    Capt. Roger Locher. The aircraft was observed to be on fire during descent,
    and impacted the ground in a ball of fire. No chutes were seen or beepers
    heard from either crewman. This crew had shot down two MiGs the previous
    week.
    On June 1, an F4 on a mission in the area reported a beeper and voice
    contact with a downed crew member in the vicinity of Yen Bai, North Vietnam.
    Search and Rescue (SAR) forces were immediately diverted to the area and
    established radio contact with the WSO, Capt. Locher. Minutes later
    helicopters arrived in the area. By this time, the A1s defending the rescue
    were receiving heavy anti-aircraft fire.
    The A1s had not been able to pinpoint Capt. Locher''s location, and the
    helicopters, equipped with electronic location finders (ELFs), attempted to
    pinpoint his position. At this point a MiG-21 made a high-speed,
    low-altitude pass at the helicopters, followed by another pass within
    minutes. The helicopters were low on fuel, and it was decided *****spend
    rescue for the day. (Note: Rescue was being attempted within 7 miles of Yen
    Bai Airfield, a very strongly defended area and extremely dangerous for the
    rescue attempt.)
    Rescuers were also suspicious. It had been three weeks since Oyster 1 was
    shot down, and it seemed unlikely that anyone could evade capture against
    such heavy odds. It was suspected that a captured POW was being used by the
    North Vietnamese to lay a trap for the SAR forces. Despite the possibility
    of an ambush, the SAR operation resumed the second day.
    Operations on the second day began with a diversionary strike against Yen
    Bai Airfield. Other F4s were used to hit anti-aircraft guns in the area. The
    rescue package and the bombers, plus the attendant array of F4 escorts,
    EB66s, F105G Weasels and KC135 tankers totaled 119 U.S. aircraft -- more
    aircraft than had been involved in the original 10 May attack on Hanoi when
    Locher was shot down.
    As the helicopters entered the rescue area, they picked up strong radio
    signals from Locher. The A1 escorts were receiving heavy AAA fire and called
    in more F4 strikes against the guns. The SAR helicopters, to avoid SAMs and
    MiGs, flew at an altitude of about fifty feet (all within 3-7 miles of the
    enemy airfield). As they approached Locher''s position, they began taking
    heavy ground fire from the many villages in the area.
    The ELF equipment proved to be particularly valuable, as its signals
    directed the helicopters right to Locher. A jungle penetrator was lowered,
    and Locher brought on board under heavy ground fire. It was not until Locher
    was actually onboard that SAR forces knew for certain that the rescue had
    not been a trap.
    Roger Locher had walked about twelve miles from where he had parachuted and
    had kept himself alive on wild fruit and weed shoots. The many streams had
    provided him a plentiful supply of fresh water. The extent of the SAR effort
    was indicative of the efforts put forth to rescue downed pilots.
    It was believed possible that Robert Lodge had also escaped the crippled
    aircraft, and he was classified Missing in Action. In 1973, 591 Americans
    were released from prisons in Hanoi. Robert A. Lodge was not among them.
    On September 30, 1977, the Vietnamese "discovered" the remains of Robert A.
    Lodge and returned them to U.S. control. Alive or dead, he had been a
    prisoner of war and a political pawn.
    LINEBACKER and LINEBACKER II offensives were the most effective strikes
    against enemy defenses in the war. By the end of these surgical strikes,
    according to pilots who flew the missions, the North Vietnamese had "nothing
    left to shoot at us as we flew over. It was like flying over New York City."
    Nearly 2500 Americans did not return from the war in Vietnam. Thousands of
    reports have been received indicating that some hundreds remain alive in
    captivity. As in the case of Lodge, Vietnam and her communist allies can
    account for most of them. As long as even one American remains alive in
    captivity in Southeast Asia, the only issue is that one living man.
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    http://www.geocities.com/erlebjorke/
    Painfully, we cannot remember our veterans properly without remembering the sacrifices of war. As the daughter of Captain Erle Lawrence Bjorke, I am here today to share with you my story and the solemn pride that I have in my father who laid down such a costly sacrifice, his life, to offer us and our country the opportunity for freedom.
    My name is Kristine Blanksma and my father was 28 years old when he was killed in Khe Sanh, South Vietnam on October 15th, 1967. I was only 3 months old. He had a dream. A dream to fly airplanes. In order to make this a reality he attended college, received his engineer degree and enlisted in the U.S. A. F. Not soon after enlisting he received his shipping orders, 1st stop Tennessee , where he would complete his C130 training, and then Vietnam. My mother was pregnant! After delivering a healthy baby girl, he was able to come home. Three days later he returned to Vietnam. While most kids brag about their family scrapbooks, I only had enough pictures to complete 1 page.
    At 0650 hours a C130E aircraft, tail #64-0548 departed for the Marine Base at Khe Sanh to perform a volunteer Emergency Re-supply Mission. The large aircraft otherwise known as The Hercules, was filled with plats of containers that would be air dropped from the back of the plane at a low altitude. The NVA (North Vietnamese) had surrounded Khe Sanh and the only way *****pply the men with food, ammunition, sandbags used for protection, and mail was by the USAF C-130''s. The 7 men on board were warned of poor weather con***ions, however, still volunteered. No one really knows what went wrong. Up until this summer my mother and I knew nothing regarding what happened: sealed documents, sealed military information, and certainly not even a clue as to where to start to look. Thanks to much perseverance and many brave men as of this summer we know now the whole truth. Although at times the information was extremely painful and almost more than I could bare I am very thankful. Jose Munoz was there that day. He heard the crash and was one of about 50 Marines that ran to the airstrip. The nightmares he has still haunt him. He remembers seeing the plane split in half and pieces of the plane scattered on the runway. He can still hear the loud bang from the plane bursting into a bundle of flames. He can vividly remember the men still alive fighting to get out of the tail of the plane. In particular, he describes the co-pilot; not realizing it was my father. His legs were crushed and he was trapped in the ****pit. The Marines tried to help and gave him a gas mask. However, they were unsuccessful. He remembers seeing a man with severe head wounds run back to the plane to try to help the men trapped but he was pulled back for his safety. The co-pilot bowed his head as if praying and was engulfed in flames. Six out of seven heroes were lost that day.
    My mother was washing dishes at the kitchen sink when she saw the military car pull up in her driveway. It was every wives nightmare. She could not here their words over her sobs, she didn''t need too... she knew her husband was dead. The only thing she remembered hearing was that there was not even a body to send; they would provide her a clean uniform if she wished.
    Many people ask me to share with them the emotions I went through growing up: Denial...I waited for many years for him to come running up the drive way and surprise me for my birthday party..I used to pray he was missing in action or a prisoner or war!! Anger...I hated the fact that he left my mother and me and I hated the government for starting a war in which there were no winners. I was angry with the Great Divine, God, who was supposed to be there to save his life... and I hated that I looked enough like him that I was a constant reminder to my mother of a love lost.
    Sadness... Time does not heal all. Col. James Morgan helped on many occasions to give me the strength to continue to find the answers I had set out to find. He often quoted from an English poet, Richard Lovelace, "I could not love thee, dear, so much, Loved I not honour more." He encouraged me to honor his death but yet celebrate my father''s life. He also said, "Don''t let anyone tell you to get on with your life or forget about the past. Continue to cry, continue to honor and don''t ever forget because the sacrifice was to great!"
    Respect...Understanding what it meant to him to serve his country. Understanding that he knew exactly how dangerous his mission was, and that these men fought under extreme circumstances. Understanding the only way they mentally survived was that they truly believed they were fighting to make a difference for the future of the people and the family they left behind. I read something once and it helped me understand; it said: "We went. We didn''t ask why.. our country called and we were proud."
    HONOR...They were young,, they were full of energy and they had dreams. For many it is a day filled with memories, some wonderful and some horrific. On November 11th, and probably not a day goes by that they don''t think about the time they wore their uniform, the good and the bad. They have concerns for the past and they have even more concerns for the future. In his memory I have decided to speak for those that are unable.
    I have joined the American Legion (I get to just be with other veterans) and a group called Sons and Daughters in Touch, (other children who have lost parents). I was able to share my story at the traveling replica of the Vietnam Wall that holds all the names of those lost in Vietnam. I have spoken at several Veterans Day programs and High Schools. I do this because it helps me make sure that nobody forgets the heroes that did truly make a difference ...OUR VETERANS. I read something on the Internet last night it said: All Gave SOME...SOME GAVE ALL!
    In America Freedom and Values have come at a high price. In Vietnam alone over 58,000 people died. We need to understand that they believed in what they were doing and that they felt being in Vietnam was the right thing to do. We might not understand it but it is important that we respect it. I had a tragic loss...my dad!! There were mothers that lost sons and daughters, fathers that lost friends, wives that lost soul mates, and children that lost fathers.
    Col. Joseph L. Hannah lost six friends that day. He was the lone survivor of the crash of 10-15-67. The scar on his scull left from a severe head wound and 200 stitches are nothing in comparison to the scars on his heart. He could have gone home that day, but chose not to quit. He continued to serve his country until his retirement last year.
    Now that you know the story of 7 heroes and the sacrifices our families have made to protect the freedom we have today. I hope that when you look at the American flag you will stand a little taller. Maybe when you hear the star spangled banner you''ll think of the many veterans that served and are serving today our country.
    Living in America is an act of grace. We are either born here, immigrated here, or have become a citizen. It is a country that gives us the gift of freedom. Any true gift is a responsibility... a responsibility to be a good citizen, get an education, be honorable, and to make a difference. Our Veterans have given us this gift. What will you do individually for those that have done so much for you? Will you as recipients of this gift live up to it... I think as Americans you will.
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