ông già noel có từ khi nào

ông già noel có từ khi nào

a cũng nói có ông già noel , nhất là hững đứa bé , vậy có ai biết truyền thuyết về ông già noel có từ khi nào ko ??

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Noël, Noell, Noelle, Noe, Noue, de Noailles, de Noël, le Noel
The surname name ''Noël'', which may have originally meant a person from Noailles (no-ay) and not Christmas (however the given name of Noël does refer to Christmas in most cases), is believed to have origins in the Gallic tribes of Normandy in the north of France. These people held vast estates in the Duchy of Noailles, Oise, France that dated prior to the 11th Century. In Normandy, the scion of the family generally adopted his domain name as his own surname and the nobility were the de Noailles''s. Whatever the common form may have been, the de prefix was dropped by attrition when the people moved from the area and their surname progressively changed. Since the mass of people were not literate, this may have been done by the priests who recorded the baptisms in French, German or Latin. The English could not even handle this pronunciation and it was changed to Noel ( pronounced as Noll ). When the Noël''s (pronounced as no-elle) came from France to English America in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds the English recorded the Noel form. As we see in France and French Canada the Noël form is used.
If many different families from Noailles assumed the Noel surname this may account for the different haplogroups and haplotypes seen on the DNA Results Page. While this may have been the early source of the Noël surname it was also adopted, acquired or derived by other means. There is also reason to believe that the surname was something other than Noël. Since the British, my family and other Noel families do not use the Noël form it may have been the catholic priests, the scribes of the vital records, who first changed the spelling and then the pronunciation to conform with a Christian event. My family says No-al, with a slight accent on the first syllable. Records show that my great grandfather, born about 1775, spelled his name as Noel but it was written as Noal by the tax recorder. Our Joseph Noel, who came from Europe to the States in 1736, wrote his name without the accent mark over the ''e''.
This is the signature of written on the ship Princes Augusta on his way to Philadelphia, PA.
The Noel DNA Project results suggest that the surname could also have been derived in other ways such as the adoption of the Christian name which was common in the Vosges. One example is the story of José Domingues Nouh who went to France from Syria because of a Syrian War where he translated his Syrian name from Nouh to Noel. An other example is that of Cornelius Noel. Joseph Noell reminds us that research was done on his line which indicates that birth records were found in the church in Holland showing Cornelius Noel was actually Cornelius son of Jacob Nouweelsz. Jacob Nouweelsz was the son of Nowe Passchier. This would be the patronymic naming system where Nowe became the surname of the son and the -sz added at the end indicates a son in the Netherlands.
By the 14th century the Noël''s branched to Antons, Roc''hldean and Villehuslin in Brittany, Peronniere in Forezand and Poitou in France. By the 15th century they were in Orléans and by 1573 they had acquired estates in Lorraine and St. Simon to the South in Languedoc. For those interested, both French and English ''Coats of Arms'' are shown. If your Noel''s were from the Nancy area of France, Benoit de Crevoisier gives his Noël line.
A knight, Robert Noel was with William, the Duke of Normandy, in his conquest of England in 1066. He became the Lord of Gainsborough by King Henry, King of England and Normandy. A Robert Noel was born about 1123 at Staffordshire. Thomas Noel, born about 1151, married Margaret Strange, born 1156. Their child Alice, born about 1180 at Ellenhall, Staffordshire, England, married Sir William D. Harcourt in about 1202. She died in 1235. There are Noel''s living in England and maybe Ireland today. The English must have changed the surname from de Noailles to de Noelli, then to Noelli, and finally to Noel. The Latin names used at Ellenhall were Noellus, Nouellus and Novellus. By 1482 we find other Noel''s at Dalby, Whitwell and Campden. Sir Edward Noel became the 2nd Viscount Campden. Noel Viscount Campden
When Lord Bryon''s (1788-1824) mother-in-law died, a stipulation of her will was that, in order to inherit, her beneficiaries must take her family name. Byron added it to his and became George Gordon Noel Byron. His mother in law was Ju***h Noel, daughter of Sir Edward Noel, 6th Baronet, 9th Baron and 1st Viscount Wentworth of Kirkby Mallory in Leicestershire

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A French Lieutenant took a land grant on the bay of Fundy in Nova Scotia, in which is now Hants County, and the town of Noel was built. If the name of Noel was a surname or a given name is not clear. However many Noel''s lived in Nova Scotia in the Eighteenth century. The largest wooden sailing ship ever built was constructed at Noel. From 1755 to 1762, over 8,000 Acadians were deported to New England, to the southern colonies, and to Europe. Others went to New Brunswick and the French West Indies or went to live with the native people the Mi''kmaq / Micmac''s. The Acadians were allowed to return to Nova Scotia in 1764 but the Cobequid area including the town of Noel was not resettled. The only Noel''s in the Hants County area today, I was told, are of native American origin.
An early Native American of Nova Scotia was Louis Noel (1790-1849). His son John was the chief of the Micmac''s of Halifax and the surrounding area. Chief John Noel was born at Port Harbour, Pictou County, N.S, on 3 May 1829 and he died 20 May 1911 at Spring Brook Reserve, Shubenacadie, N.S. at the age of 82 years.
Pierre Joseph Noël, who was born in Paris, France about 1793, was held a prisoner by the English on Melville Island, Halifax, during the Napoleonic war. Following his release, he lived in various places in Nova Scotia, before settling in Cocagne, New Brunswick. He married Mary Hayes, probably in Tracadie, Nova Scotia. Pierre''s second wife was Susan Bellinger. Lucas (Luc) Noël the son of Susan and Pierre Joseph Noel married Emelie Goguen and she gave birth to Agnes Noël February 17, 1877. Agnes married Leon Fontaine June 24, 1912. A Picture of Agnes supports that she was of Native American extraction. See the above page for contacts.
Jean Noel and Marguerite Boudreau had ten children. A son, Lazarc Noel, was born at St Inkerman in Northern New Brunswick in 1871 and died in 10-23-1948. He was the youngest of ten children. He and his brother, Daniel Noel were the only two children who came to the States while most of his family remained in New Brunswick. A son Joseph L Noel was born in Superior, Wisconsin in 1918. Later the family moved to Madawasko in northern Maine because Lazarc''s wife came from that area. Joseph''s family were French-Canadian and his mother only spoke French while his father did learn English to become a U S citizen. Joseph was always told that his Noel''s immigrated from Southern France. The church records of Saint Michel at Inkerman contain most of Jean Noel''s siblings and his and Marguerite Boudreau''s children

À, còn Noel theo ý của mấy bác người Bỉ thì thế này nè
Four of the children of Narcisse Noel and Julie Cheza (who was born in the village of Barvaux-Condroz (near town of Dinant, province of Namur, Belgium on Oct 26, 1844) went at an early age to an area just north of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
John Nicholas Noel, the great-grandson of Francois Noel and Anne Marie Petit, was born March 6, 1782 at Saar, Lux. Belgium and was married abt 1808 at Hachy, Lux Belgium. He died Dec 19, 1865 at Mosalem, Dubuque, IA. His grandson Joseph Noel who was born May 10, 1861 at Dubuque, Dubuque, IA died Dec 31, 1939 at San Bernadino, Ca. See this Page for details.
From "The NOEL family from Grand Leez, Belgium" by Alice Noel Toebas, c. 1988:
"Jean Francois ''Frank'' NOEL born November 17, 1844 in Aische-en-Refail, Belgium son of Jean Francois ''John''
Noel and Marie-Catherine NEUVILLE. He immigrated from Belgium with his parents in 1856. On April 30, 1865
at St. John the Evangelist Church in Green Bay, Wisconsin he married Marie Josephine LADURON. She was
born September 9, 1846 at Meux, Belgium, daughter of Maximilian Laduron and Anne-Joseph HERBINIAT".

Cuối cùng là của mấy chị em bên Mỹ nhé, ngoài ra còn Noel theo ý kiến của mấy ông Zimbabwe and Ivory Coast, thôi ngại viết lém:
Peter Noel the oldest son of Joseph, who was sixteen when he entered the colonies, had six boys in the American Revolution. They were Peter 1750, John 1753, Jacob 1765-66, Nicholas 1764-65, Daniel and Blasius 1762. After the war Blasius moved to near Taneytown, MD and later we find his son John in Westmoreland County, PA. Nicholas the brother of Blasius may have arrived in Westmoreland County, PA after 1803 before going to Loretto, PA in about the same time. Blasius the son of Blasius and nephew of Nicholas also went to Loretto at a later time. Simon, maybe the son of Daniel also went to Loretto. It seems that all the Noel''s in Westmoreland and Cambria Counties in the early 1800''s were the sons and daughters of either Jacob son of John, Daniel or Blasius Noel (The Blasius Will). Joseph Noel who arrived before 1800 had his first child Adam P Noel near Mt. Pleasant in 1800 and his last child my grandfather, Jacob S Noel, in 1834, and his grandson, my father, Leo A Noel was born in 1887. Recent DNA Analysis shows that my Joseph Noel is related to the Adams County clan. See the DNA Page. So now it seems that my Joseph''s father is one of two, either Jacob, the son of John or Daniel, the son of Peter.
Jacob Noell, came to America in 1795 from the east bank of the Rhine, to which his ancestors had fled from religious persecution in France and located in York County, Pennsylvania and was of the Protestant faith. His son,
Daniel K Noell was one of six children.
An account of the Early Noel''s of Western, PA is given on this page and includes Westmoreland, Indiana, Cambria and Venango Counties. Among the Noel''s in the 1810 to 1870 Census of Cambria County we find besides the Noel''s from Westmoreland, Adams County and Taneytown, Md, four Noel''s from Germany, Philip, John, Peter and Joseph who are now known to have come from Prussia. An account of the Noel''s of Franklin County, PA including Michael and John, Jr compiled
Johan Henrich Noel imported on the ship Edinbergh to the State of Pennsylvania, James Russel, Master. He qualified Sept 16, 1751.
John [ Buckskin] NOEL (b.28-Jun-1776 in France d.14-May-1846 in Adams Co., PA.) was said to have left France as a young man and stayed in Germany for a few years before coming to America in about 1810. He settled in the Wenksville, Menallen Twp., Adams Co., PA. area where he married Elizabeth (b.31-Apr-1793 d.27-Apr-1853). They had children John A Noel ( b.14-May-1829 d.3-Dec-1897) who never married and David Noel (b.28-Dec-1823 d.21-Jun-1874) who married Mary Ann Irvin (b.29-Oct-1834 d.26-Apr-1904).
The Jacob Noel family, except for Hanna, arrived in the Ligonier area of Westmoreland County, PA in 1823. Jacob was the son of Andrew Noel from Adams County, PA, the grandson of John Noel, and great-grandson of Joseph Noel from Europe. The Noel graveyard is now on private property. There is am image and plot map on the page linked above.
Also in Michigan and reported by Wesley Brown: Catherine Noel Braun was born July 11, 1802 at Baden and lived in the Nancy area prior to living near Mulhouse, Haut Rhin, France, maybe in Reiningue. She married Nicholas Braun from Reiningue and they came to the Monroe, Michigan in 1847 with five children. From there, the family went to Ohio, Minnesota, and, later, to North Dakota. Her son, John Baptist Broun was the priest who had the catholic cathedral, St. Bernard''s, built in Akron, Ohio in about 1900. Catherine was the sister of Michael Noell who came to Monroe, MI with his family in the 1850s. He came with his wife Anna Stein and five children from Dept 54, Meurthe, France in 1853, as seen in the 1860 census. They had 3 more children after coming to the USA. They came via Havre. Also John and Marie Noel Schaffer lived in Alsace-Lorraine until 1869 when they emigrated to the USA with their son Nicholas and two daughters, landing in New York. Michael and John were assumed to be brothers. I don''t know that I''m related to them.
A Joseph Noel was born in Pennsylvania in what was probably the 1780s or 1790s, as was his wife, Mary Cooper. Moving westward, they spent time in Perry County, Ohio, then White County, Ohio, where Joseph Noel died in 1848. Their son James Noel was born in Perry County on March 30, 1830, one of sixteen children. He came to Mahaska County, Iowa, in 1852 and married Mary Marilla Bacon. They settled in New Sharon, Iowa, and had six children--Rubie, Alfred, Almeda, Otis, Olive and Lillian. Alfred Cooper Noel was born 11/26/1855 in New Sharon, and died 1/2/1924. He married Clara Tice (a daughter of state legislator Hardin Tice) and had 10 children, who all grew up in the Oskaloosa area. Contact Mindy
My Grand Uncles Adam, John, Joseph and Peter, and maybe my grandfather Jacob, all went to Davenport, IA in 1835 with the Lindsey family. They are listed with the first residents of Davenport. Adam and his wife, Susannah Lindsey, encouraged their friends and relations in Pennsylvania to move to the rich farmlands in Iowa. These included the Hurd''s, McGuire''s and the Wagner''s. The Noel''s in Westmoreland County, PA were in close contact with those who went to Iowa and my grandfather Jacob Noel did go to Iowa but returned ( see Speculation above). The town of Noel, Iowa is 12 mi North of Davenport. John moved to Missouri and died at Kingfisher, Oklahoma. The town of Noel, Oklahoma is located 45 miles NW of Enid while Kingfisher is 40 miles south. His sons went to California after his death. One Grand Uncle went to South America where he had a cattle ranch. This must have been George Noel.

Ngắn gọn về cái tên Noel:
Noel is a masculine French given name that means "Christmas". The feminine form is Noelle. It is derived from the Latin (dies) natalis, referring to the Nativity of Christ, the right form is Noël and also Noëlle.
Wiki về ngày giáng sinh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel (tiếng Việt, còn sơ sài)
Wiki về ông già Noel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus
http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%94ng_gi%C3%A0_No-el (tiếng Việt, còn sơ sài)
http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A1nh_Nicolas (tiếng Việt, còn sơ sài)