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Theo nguồn wiki [] (chỉnh sửa đợt cuối vào tháng tư 2011 - ko phải em sửa à nha) thì Việt Nam có ít nhất 3 tàu Pauk chống ngầm đang hoạt động và đang đặt hàng 9 tàu nữa.

nguồn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauk_class_corvette

Ngoài ra hãng tư vấn Thayer cũng khẳng định với các khách hàng của mình rằng trong cuộc tập trận của Việt Nam trong tháng 6 năm 2011 tàu chống ngầm 1241.2 của Việt Nam cũng đã khai hoả.

nguồn (chỉ còn cache thôi nhé):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&hl=vi&ct=clnk&gl=vn&source=www.google.com.vn

Thayer South China Sea Vietnam Fires Back

Thayer Consultancy

ABN # 65 648 097 123
Background Briefing: South China Sea: Vietnam Fires Back Carlyle A. Thayer June 13, 2011
[client name deleted] Questions on the South China Sea: 1. In an announcement on its web site, Vietnam’s state‐run Northern Maritime Safety Corporation said that nine hours of naval exercises will be held on Monday off the country’s central coast. This is the first time that the government has publicized a live‐ammunition drill. What is the significance of the naval exercise in the context of China’s increased assertiveness in the South China Sea? ANSWER: Vietnam’s announcement of naval live firing exercises came after three major announcements by China. First, China announced that its new massive oil exploration rig would begin operations in the South China Sea. Second, China warned Southeast Asian countries to stop oil exploration activities near the Spratly Islands. Third, China announced it would hold routine naval exercises in the western Pacific in June. By these actions China has given every indication that it is going to act unilaterally. China’s planned activities could take place within the exclusive economic zones of the Philippines and Vietnam. Vietnam’s announcement that it would conduct live firing activities is necessary to ensure the safety of ships and fishing craft in the area where the exercises will be held. Vietnam live firing exercises will be taken by outside observers as a stiffening of Vietnam’s resolve following Vietnam’s decision to send the Binh Minh 02 back to sea with an escort. Vietnam’s actions will add an element of uncertainty into China calculations. China must decide whether to escalate its actions or to seek a diplomatic solution. 2. One reason the dispute has flared in recent years is that the 2002 Declaration on Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, which required the nations involved to commit to showing restraint in disputed waters, has proved to be toothless. What is your assessment of this? What should be done to give the 2002 DOC more teeth? ANSWER: Sovereignty claims in the South China Sea have intensified because the countries concerned want to exploit potential oil and gas reserves believed to be found in this area. The 2002 Declaration on Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea was never implemented in spirit or in practice. The DOC therefore did not
2 restrain on the activities of claimant states because it was a political declaration not a treaty. The DOC could have been effective if the political will was there. The DOC has not entirely out lived its usefulness. It was a multilateral declaration between ASEAN members and China and forms a basis for continuing multilateral discussions. The DOC undermines China’s attempt to resolve territorial disputes bilaterally. The DOC was meant to be the first step towards a more legally binding Code of Conduct (COC). If ASEAN members cannot get China to agree to a COC they should convert the DOC into a treaty among themselves and invite outside powers to sign. This would be a useful device to force China’s hand or leave it diplomatically isolated. 3. Some of China’s East Sea claims have been considered an infringement of international waters with possible implications for international trade. Would the escalating marine tensions at this stage corroborate such allegations against China? Why or why not? ANSWER: China is at pains not to undertake any action that would interfere with freedom and safety of navigation. It if did it would immediately be confronted by the United States and its allies: Japan, Australia, South Korea and other states who depend on sea borne trade. All the major incidents that have taken place this year involving Vietnam and the Philippines have taken place in their EEZs and not in international waters. If China did undertake actions that threatened to disrupt international trade, its own interests would be threatened. China depends on secure shipping lanes in the South China Sea. At present it does not have the naval power to confront the United States and its maritime allies. 4. What do the South China Sea tensions amount to in the end? Is a win‐win solution a realistic possibility for China and Vietnam? Why or why not? ANSWER: Current tensions in the South China Sea could lead to an incident at sea. Or they could escalate it more serious conflict if not managed properly. It all depends on how China intends to play its game of brinkmanship. Current tensions have and will continue to provoke an international response for all sides to exercise restraint and refrain from threats or use of force. The international community would like to see a unified ASEAN position that they can support. A win‐win situation could result if China agrees to free the status quo and enter into discussions with ASEAN on a more binding code of conduct. They key is to shelve territorial disputes and engage in joint development on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. 5. Any further comments or observations would be welcome. ANSWER: China’s main motivation appears to be control over the exploration and exploitation of oil and gas reserves in the South China Sea. China provides estimates that are consistently higher than foreign estimates. China therefore seeks to disrupt and prevent Vietnam and the Philippines from awarding oil exploration contracts with foreign companies. China’s ability to enforce its jurisdiction over the South China Sea will grow as more and more China Maritime Surveillance ships are
3 constructed. And China’s recent launch of a mega oil exploration rig will allow it to establish a permanent presence anywhere in the South China Sea it chooses. China’s actions pose a direct threat to the sovereignty of the Philippine and Vietnam and their ability to exercise that sovereignty in their EEZs. Both must build up their maritime capabilities to monitor and control their EEZs and seek to learn from the experience of other countries such as Japan, South Korea, India, Australia and the United States.
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Background Briefing: South China Sea: Live-Fire Drills and the Balance of Naval Power Carlyle A. Thayer June 13, 2011
[client name deleted] 1. What kinds of weapons will Vietnam use in the live‐fire exercises? Any missiles? ANSWER: Vietnam has not provided any information on the types of navy ships that will take part in this exercise. But Vietnam’s modern fast attack craft and frigates are all equipped with surface *****rface missiles. I expect these to be test fired [It was reported later that Vietnam limited the exercise to coastal batteries and naval gunfire]. 2. How do you compare the Vietnamese and Chinese navies in terms of military power? ANSWER: If one compares the order of battle between the two China is so much more powerful that it would win in any naval engagement. But this general statement must be weighed against what forces are operating in any given theatre of operations. China would be operating at extended lines of communication and without effective air cover the further it sailed. 3. Can Vietnam win in a direct battle against China in the South China Sea with its current weapons? ANSWER: It will all come down to the sensors on each ship to detect and locate potentially hostile targets and the experience of warfare officers in directing fire if needed. China has more experience in this area. In the final analysis it is up to each side to decide what it is willing to risk for political advantage. The British fleet was more powerful than Argentina but the Argentine air force had Exocet missiles that could take out major British warships. They did but Argentina did not have enough of the missile to prevail. Vietnam’s most modern aircraft are capable of sinking a Chinese destroyer but lack the experience under combat con***ions. ANSWER: 4. When was the last live‐fire drill held? Was it a navy drill? ANSWER: The last public live fire drill was held on March 28 this year. The Air Defence Air Force conducted a live‐fire exercise at the National Shooting Ground to test ammunition and missiles produced by its combat ammunition modification
2 program. The Vietnam People’s Navy has obviously conducted live missile firings because photographs have appeared in military journals. But up to now Vietnam has provided few if any details.

Thayer Consultancy
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Background Briefing: Vietnam Missile Corvettes Fire Naval Guns Carlyle A. Thayer June 14 , 2011

[client name deleted] This blog claims to have pictures of the Vietnamese naval vessels preparing for the live‐fire exercise: http://maithanhhaiddk.blogspot.com/2011/06/hinh‐anh‐moi‐nhat‐ve‐cong‐tac‐ chuan‐bi.html The Vietnamese navy claimed, according to news wire reports, that they were firing artillery shells rather than missiles. But aren't these missile boats?
ANSWER: The ships appear to be Project 1241.2 Molniya class missile corvettes. NATO calls them Tarantul class. The big tubes contain anti‐ship missiles. They are also equipped with one 76mm naval gun or AK‐176 enclosed in the turret. This gun may be used against a variety of targets at sea, on the coast or in the air including low flying anti‐ship missiles. Most likely it was these guns that were fired during the night phase of the live firing exercise.

Thayer Consultancy
ABN # 65 648 097 123
Background Briefing: Vietnam: Military Call Up Speaks to Two Audiences Carlyle A. Thayer June 14, 2011
[client name deleted] The Vietnamese prime minister, Nguyen Tan Dung, has issued a decree about a potential military call‐up, amid a dispute with China concerning sovereignty over potentially oil‐rich waters in the South China Sea. The decree outlines who would be exempt from the draft if war broke out. A source in the region says the move is unusual. The source reports it is designed to stifle domestic complaints of government weakness, while sending a clear signal to China that Hanoi is prepared to use force to defend what it sees as its territory. (Vietnam has twice accused China of cutting the cables of Vietnamese oil exploration vessels in the disputed area. China says Vietnamese ships have chased Chinese fishing boats in what it calls Chinese waters.) Could you please provide your assessment. ANSWER: Nguyen Tan Dung was clearly speaking to two audiences, one domestic, the other in China. Defence planners look for warning signs of impending conflict and must prepare for worst case scenarios however unlikely. In Vietnam’s case the warning signs of possible naval clashes in the South China Sea are already emerging. Prime Minister Dung thus took the necessary first step in signaling to both his audiences that Vietnam was prepared to defend its sovereignty. Dung’s potential military call‐up signaled to the public at large, and to anti‐China protesters and their supporters in particular, that the government was stiffening its response to China. China, which has reacted in a condescending manner to Vietnam’s live‐fire drills in public, must now ponder in private whether they dare push Vietnam further or let current tensions abate.
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Vậy việc Việt Nam có 3 tàu chống ngầm 1241.2 có lẽ là hiện thực.

kotus, 07/08/2011

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Oáp, buồn ngủ rồi.
Có tin năm 2005 ngoài Su22 thì Việt Nam còn mua 4 tàu 1241.1 cũ của Ba Lan, cộng 2 tàu từ Nga, vậy đủ 6 tàu 1241.1 rồi nhé.

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Về các tàu 1241.8 thì trang này của Nhật khảng định Việt Nam có 4 chiếc, trong đó HQ - 371, HQ - 372 là tàu cũ của Nga, còn HQ - 373, HQ - 374 là đóng mới.
nguồn: http://data.lullar.com/タランタル型コルベット

[] [] [] thui chúc "các bé" ngủ ngon, em cũng xong việc rồi.

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Thế ai có thông tin và hình ảnh, thông số của 1241.1 thì up nên tham khảo em xem với. Không phải của mình cũng được

Em muốn lấy chồng!

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Theo một số thông tin, trong năm 2006 - 2007 Myanma đã gán nợ hay đổi hàng với Việt Nam. Và có thể trong biên chế của mình hiện nay hải quân Việt Nam đang sở hữu một tàu 4000 tấn được đóng tại Myanma và mang toàn hàng TQ: Aung Zeya Class Frigate

Tính năng như sau:
Armed with
2 x 4-cell YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missiles
8 Hongniao_missile-2 long range land attack cruise missile
1 x HQ-7 8-cell SAM launcher
1× Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid Canons
4 x AK-630 6-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns
triple 324 mm YU-7 ASW torpedoes
rocket launchers, possibly ASW rockets or decoy

Đây chỉ nên đặt trong mục các tàu có thể có, vì chưa có một hình nào của Việt Nam xuất hiện cả.
Căn cứ vào những thông tin trên có thể thấy các bác nhà mình giấu hàng kinh quá.

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cứ căn cứ vào những thứ vô căn cứ như vậy thì có khi tuần sau VN có Hàng không mẫu hạm với tauf ngầm nguyên tử quá. Thôi quên những cái căn cứ đó đi bác ơi!

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cứ căn cứ vào những thứ vô căn cứ như vậy thì có khi tuần sau VN có Hàng không mẫu hạm với tauf ngầm nguyên tử quá. Thôi quên những cái căn cứ đó đi bác ơi!
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[] yên tâm yên tâm, nếu phát hiện được nguồn tin độc lập khảng định Việt Nam có tàu sân bay với tầu ngầm nguyên tử thì sẽ post lên đây ngay.
Nhân tiện, tung nốt cái này lên rồi về Sóc Sơn ăn thịt trâu đây:

Brief history of Vietnam People's Navy submarine force

http://www.vietnam-about.com/forums/showth...le-s-Navy-(VPN)

Following the ally treaty between Soviet Union and Vietnam in 1978, first Soviet Forxtrot class submarine entered Cam Ranh base in 1979. Later the number increased and Cam Ranh became a base of Soviet's Pacific submarine force.

Soviet's submarine in Cam Ranh Base, Vietnam
Photo: Soviet's submarines in Cam Ranh. Vietnamese crew is said to operate one of these.

In 1980s, Vietnamese soldiers were sent to Soviet Union to be trained to be submariners.

1988-1989, Vietnamese crew was said to operate a Soviet's Foxtrot class submarine as a preparation for transfer.

1991, Soviet Union collapsed. Vietnam no longer received military aid from Soviet Union and the transfer of Soviet's old submarines was probably cancelled (The status is still unclear).

1990s, Vietnam expressed interest to buy Kilo class submarines.

1996, Vietnam submarine force was established.

1997, Vietnam was said to receive first two Yugo class submarines from North Korea. They were overhauled and refitted with new equipments.

North Korea's Sang-O class submarine.
Photo: North Korea's Yugo class midget submarine. Vietnam is said to operate two of this type.

1997, A Russia Kilo class submarine visited Cam Ranh and negotiation for buying this type of submarine started.

2000, a Memorandum of Understanding, which covered the sale of a Kilo submarine to Vietnam, was signed (The status is still unclear).

2000-03, a Defence Cooperation Agreement between India and Vietnam was signed, which covered training of submariners.

2001, Cam Ranh base was returned to Vietnam.

2002-10, Vietnam officially requested submariner training from India. Later, photos of Vietnamese officers in India's submarine base were spotted on Internet.

Vietnam Naval officers in India's submarine

Photo: Vietnamese Naval officers in an India's Kilo class submarine.

2009-04, Vietnam was reported to buy 6 Kilo class attack submarines from Russia.

2009-12, Vietnamese Prime Minister *************** visited Russia and signed a contract for 6 Kilo class attack submarines including construction of new submarine base in Cam Ranh and training of submariners, which amounts to 4 billions USD. Vietnam will receive 1 submarine per year from 2010.

2010-01, Vietnam officially published first information and photos about its submarine forces but without detail about number and type of submarines.

Kilo class attack submarine for Vietnam
Photo: Russia's Kilo class attack submarine. Vietnam has just bought 6 of this type. This type of submarine is equipped with super-sonic cruise missile, torpedo and anti-aircraft short range missile.
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Việt Nam dụ được anh Cà Ri bán cho giá rẻ 1-2 chiếc này thì tốt quá nhỉ?

http://quocphong.baodatviet.vn/Home/QPCN/Hai-quan-An-Do-nhan-them-tau-tang-hinh/20118/162712.datviet

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Dụ nó bán cái hàng 5 cha 3 mẹ đó thì mua project 11356 hoặc 11356M không khỏe hơn. []

http://www.facebook.com/GiaoducQP

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Mua loại đó thì làm chuyển cái topic thành "Thông tin các loại tàu mặt nước độc quyền Nga cho HQVN" khỏe hơn.
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