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    Tiểu thuyết võ hiệp Kim Dung tái bản lần 3

    Lâu rồi không có chủ đề nào mới.

    Tác phẩm của Kim Dung bản gốc là viết theo kiểu nhật báo, hàng ngày. Sau này Kim Dung gác bút, sửa chửa lại cho hoàn chỉnh, xuất bản lần nữa. Phiên bản 2 này là bản được VN mình dịch và xuất bản thành sách, cũng là các bản được đăng trên mạng. Tuy nhiên theo sự tìm hiểu của tại hạ mấy hôm nay thì bản trên mạng, ở các diễn đàn Việt Kiếm, Mai Hoa Trang, Nhạn Môn Quan, hình như là sự kết hợp giữa phiên bản 2 & 3; trong khi bản Bích Huyết Kiếm xuất bản ở VN lại là phiên bản 3. Sẽ xác minh lại sau. Nhưng Kim Dung vẫn cảm thấy chưa ưng ý, thế là sửa chữa lần nữa, và a lê hấp, có Version 3.

    Thật ra thông tin này cũng gần 1 năm rồi, copy từ bên SPCNET.TV qua thôi. Mọi người đọc thử rồi cho ý kiến xem thế nào. Bàn chơi cho vui chứ Kim lão nhân gia cũng xuất bản cha nó rồi. Minh chứng là bản Thần Điêu Hiệp Lữ 06 làm dựa trên lẩu thập cẩm của Ver. 2 & 3.

    Tất cả các bài viết tiếng Anh đều lấy từ SPCNET forum.

    Source: http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=12038

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    3rd e***ion of The Sword Stained with Royal Blood:
    1) He Tieshou doesn''t fall in love with Qingqing anymore. She immediately saw through she was a girl. But Jin Yong turned He Tieshou into martial arts fanatic. When she saw the skills of Yuan Chengzhi, she immediately wanted to become his student and learn his skills. She couldn''t care less about her 5 Poison/Immortal Sect anymore.
    2) The martial arts school of the Wen family has changed from Shiliang to Qixian. But they are stil despicable.
    3) Yuan Chengzhi is smitten by princess Changping immediately after meeting her. He often would think about her.
    4) The Golden Snake Swordsman developed a new martial arts style in memory of his love for Wen Yi. Very romantic of him.
    5) The prince who wanted to usurp the throne of emperor Chongzhen is not a fictional character anymore. But Jin Yong used a historic figure, an uncle of Chongzhen. The prince of Wei. Here this usurper didn''t die and escaped Beijing, he was later captured by Qing soldiers and killed.
    6) More information on other rebel leaders of that time and on Li Zicheng.
    7) Jiao Wan''Er is in love with Yuan Chengzhi, in the second e***ion it was not clear. But now there are a few times when the readers could read about the feelings she had for Yuan Chengzhi.
    8) Jin Yong wrote more about the chaotic situation when Li Zicheng was driven away from Beijing. The Ming kings fighting amongst each other etc.
    9) In the end Yuan Chengzhi used the new style form of The Golden Snake Swordsman and gained the upperhand on Yuzhen Zhi.
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    Cái trên là những thay đổi ở Ver. 3 của Bích Huyết Kiếm. Xạ điêu anh hùng truyện chắc là bản sửa đổi kinh dị nhất.
    Third e***ion of LOCH:
    1) Mei Chaofeng used to be a maid (after her parents died her uncle was unable to raise her. So the uncle sold her to the rich Jiang family). Anyway at the age of 12 she was quite a beauty and the squire of the Jiang residence was quite impressed by her. Anyway one day while Mei Chaofeng was washing clothes the old Jiang man came up to her and wanted to touch her breasts. She pushed him away because there was soap on her hands Jiang''s beard were soapy and she giggled when she saw that. Mrs. Jiang (a shrew) thought she was seducing her husband and hit, scold her etc. Even wanting to poke out her eyes. At that point Huang Yaoshi came by and taught that woman a lesson and bought Mei Chaofeng free.
    Thus she became his third disciple.
    2) Huang Yaoshi''s head disciple was Qu Lingfeng who was about 30 years old and a widower. Sha Gu was already born. Being the head disciple he would often left in charge to teach his younger martial arts brothers and sister literary and martial arts.
    3) As Mei Chaofeng grew up and became a fair young lady, Huang Yaoshi, Qu Lingfeng and Chen Xuanfeng became quite taken by her beauty. Qu Lingfeng surpressed his feelings because he was a widower and he did not want to think about love anymore. Besides he knew that Huang Yaoshi was secretly in love with Mei Chaofeng, Huang was frustrated and sad for having such feelings. (There is certain poem written by Song statesman Ouyang Xiu that referred to this sort of frustration of love for someone unreachable). Huang Yaoshi wrote that poem a few times, indirectly and without intention revealing his feelings to Qu Lingfeng.
    4) When Chen Xuanfeng had an affair with Mei Chaofeng and was discovered by Qu Lingfeng, both fought and Chen was defeated. Qu Lingfeng was angry because he felt that Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng betrayed their teacher. (Mei once vowed that she will always stay at the side of her teacher no matter what). When Huang Yaoshi found out the reason for the fight between Qu and Chen, he was furious with Qu and broke his legs and disowned him. Reason because now his feelings for Mei were more or less exposed and he felt humiliated and blamed Qu Lingfeng. He and little Sha Gu were sent away.
    From then onwards Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng were ignored by Huang Yaoshi, he did not teach them anything anymore.
    At a certain point Huang Yaoshi left the Peach Blossom Isle and came back months later with his new wife. (Huang Rong''s mother) His new wife was even a few months younger than Mei.
    Once at a certain Chinese festival, Huang Yaoshi drank a few more cups of wine and muttered:"Who dares to say that old East Heretic is in love with his female pupil! Lingfeng was spouting nonsense! Where is he now, I forgive him. Tell him to come back!"
    When Chen Xuanfeng heard this, he and Mei Chaofeng decided to leave Peach Blossom Isle and decided to steal the second manual of Jiuyin Zhenjing.
    Chen was very much afraid that Qu Lingfeng would come back.
    5) Zhou Botong decided to find a safe place to hide second volume of Jiuyin Zhenjing, met Huang Yaoshi and Mrs. Huang. Same trick as second version, however Zhou Botong noticed that Huang Yaoshi looked shifty and did not tear up the volume. This happened while the "Seven Freaks" was searching for Guo Jing and Li Ping.
    6) Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng stole second manual and decided to study it, (the family Jiang were their first victims of their cruel methods of training-----> rich family that bought Mei). In order to strengthen themselves they also learnt skills like Iron Cloth, Golden Bell. (This is now directly said by them, second e***ion only hinted to this).
    7) When Chen and Mei left, Huang Yaoshi was feeling depressed and frustrated. When Lu Chengfeng and Wu Gangfeng advised their teacher not to be so depressed anymore they were not cautious in their choice of words, in his anger he broke their legs and disowned. Fong Maifeng felt it was unfair and spoke out and Huang was furious and broke one of his leg too and disowned him as well.
    8) Lu Chengfeng wanted to capture Chen and Mei and invited more than ten famous martial artists to attack Chen and Mei, amongst these people was the brother of Ke Zhen''E, Ke Pixie. Ke Pixie wrote a letter to his brother asking if he was interested in joining this expe***ion. However at that time the "Seven Freaks" just found a bit of lead on Guo Jing and Li Ping, and Ke Zhen''E was quite assured that his brother would be fine with so many experts. It was only 2 years before the first encounter with Chen and Mei that Ke Zhen''E learnt of his brother''s demise.
    9) Huang Yaoshi would often sigh and look sad, when his pupils asked him why he was sad. He would answer sadly:"I am not angry with you, I am just angry with myself and Heaven."
    10) Chen and Mei were able to escape Lu Chengfeng''s attack and killed several people (amongst Ke Pixie), but were seriously wounded too. And soon found out that the Seven Masters of Quanzhen were following them.
    11) Luoying Shenjian Zhang has become Taohua Luoying Zhang.
    12) Mentionings of Xiao Feng/Qiao Feng twice.....regarding that part of 18 Dragon Subduing Palms.....Xiao Feng and Xuzhu improved this skill cutting out the redundant stances, making it fiercer, simpler and more powerful.
    Second time Huang Rong were talking to the three elders of the beggars association and she mentioned that Qiao Feng fought hundreds of heroes in Virtue Assembling Manor, defeating heretic experts in front of the Shaolin Monastery.
    13) Jiuyin Baigu claws, heart snapping palms and hundred serpent whip (former poisonous silver dragon whip) were not invented by Huang Shang, these were one of the skills that his enemies used to kill his younger brother and sister. He examined their martial arts and noted them down in his manual. He of course came up with the orthodox more powerful variations to counter these cruel techniques. Chen and Mei sort of only learnt the skills of Huang Shang''s enemies. Because those did not require powerful (Taoist) internal strength.
    14) Guo Jing learnt both orginal Jiuyin volumes (the copies were back in Huang''s possession after meeting up with Mei and Lu at Cloud Assembly Manor.
    15) Guo Jing and Huang Rong were protecting Qing Zhou here. (AS JIN YONG WROTE IN THE COMMENTS, GUO JING WILL CONTINUE TO PROTECT THE CITY XIANGYANG IN ROCH) The commander of this place surrendered immediately when Guo Jing and Huang Rong went to see Genghis Khan.
    16) It was Huang Rong who gave Yang Guo a name, at a very early age he already became the pupil of Guo Jing and Huang Rong. Guo Jing and Huang Rong invited Mu Nianci to live on the Peach Blossom Isle. However Mu Nianci was saddened to see them so happy and herself was quite sad, and she told Guo Jing and Huang Rong that she would take Yang Guo to see them when he was older to study martial arts. So she declined their kind invitation.
    17) Huang Yaoshi''s grandfather was a government official during the Song Gaozong reign, this grandfather of his petitioned several times that Yue Fei was innocent. In the end he was demoted, but continued to fight for Yue Fei''s innocence calling up the people to stand together and defend Yue Fei. Finally was captured and beheaded for stirring up the public, his family was banned to Yunnan. It was there that Huang Yaoshi grew up.
    He learnt both literary and martial arts, he studied literature under his father''s tutelage. It is not mentioned who taught him martial arts. As he grew up he felt that his family was wronged and often argued with his father about so-called loving and protecting one''s emperor etc. Against his father''s wishes he did not participate in the provincial examinations, and in the end (how very ironic) his father disowned Huang Yaoshi. Starting from then he roamed the realm and wrote rebellious poems, texts on the walls of all government institutions. The government sent out people to track him down, but in vain.
    He was called the Heretic Hero by the common people, later on it became East Heretic.
    18) Quanzhen palm technique 3 Flowers Assembling Palms become Treading Frost And Breaking Ice Palms.
    19) More general information on the teacher of Qiu Qianren, Shangguan Jiannan.
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    Sửa đổi trong Thần điêu hiệp lữ.
    Third e***ion of ROCH:
    1) Yang Guo doesn''t go to the Peach Blossom Isle, when his mother died. His mother had instructed him to do so, but he was a proud little boy and did not want to be dependent on someone so he decided he could survive on his own.
    2) The Quanzhen disciple raping Xiao Longnu is called Zhen Zhibing, Taoist name Chonghe. He is the third disciple of Qiu Chuji. Yin Zhiping only has a minor role in the novel now, it is said that Yin Zhiping had placed emphasis on Taoist cultivation over martial arts hence Zhen Zhibing has caught up with him in martial arts.
    3) Zhao Zhijing had a chance to become the head disciple of the third generation. But he failed miserably when the 6 masters gave him 2 tasks to perform. One leading the Big Dipper Formation to keep Huo Du and his minions away; instead he lead it against Guo Jing. Leaving the Chongyang Shrine open for the real enemy. And Qiu Chuji and Wang Chuji were furious when they heard how Zhao Zhijing treated Yang Guo. They then decided that Zhen Zhibing should become the possible head disciple of the third generation. Zhao Zhijing being the fool he is blames Yang Guo for this. (Instead of his own incompetence).
    4) Some more insights on Wang Chongyang and Lin Chaoying and Jade Maiden martial arts. The Jade Maiden martial arts are not really designed for killing or wounding, Lin Chaoying created her style for the purpose of overcoming Wang Chongyang. (i.e. a simple pat on his body showing off her superiority in martial arts over her). Secondly Lin Chaoying used her martial arts to express her feeling for Wang Chongyang, instead of just saying it. The reason why they did not end up with each other was because they simply did not understand each other''s ambitions, wishes.
    5) Wang Chongyang carved only the small portions of Jiuyin in the tomb, minus Sanskrit part (which is now confirmed). But he did managed to GRASP the essence and ABSORB the essense of Jiuyin after reading it a few times.
    6) Yang Guo and Xiao Longnu''s relationship in the tomb is much warmer and more loving.
    7) Zhen Zhibing would often of to the woods outside the tomb and softly call out:"Xiao Longnu.....Xiao Longnu....."
    Zhao zhijing found this out because he sent his pupils to spy near the woods. If they saw Yang Guo they would have to report to him immediately, however they did not see Yang Guo but did hear Zhen Zhibing. Also when Xiao Longnu turned 20, Zhen Zhibing left a small box of delicasies near the woods and a note saying he wishes her a happy birthday. But this box was intercepted by the pupil of Zhao Zhijing.
    8) Li Mochou''s palm technique is not called 5 Poison Divine Palms but it is called Chilian (*as in her nickname) Divine palms.
    9) Hong Qigong and Ouyang Feng''s deaths are also a bit changed, the once scene filled with lofty sentiments is gone now. Instead we get some more insight on the Jiuyin martial arts theories.
    10) Jinlun Fawang is now called Jinlun Guoshi (Imperial High Priest). The term "fawang" is gone. The reason is that a small group of people were making a lot fuss, saying that it was typical that Tibetan monks were portrayed as bad, Jin Yong always had left (left as in Communist) ideas, etc....Well just to appease those people he changed it, Jinlun is a Mongolian monk who studied Lamaism in Tibet. Lamaism became the main religion in Mongolia.
    11) Huo Du is not the descendant of Genghis Khan but of the sworn brother of Genghis Khan who died in LOCH (not the evil chap). But the rather good one, I think you know who I mean. Anyway, his family always were insured of a wealthy life, but with no power for obvious reasons. Huo Du also wanted power and became the student of Jinlun, hoping that he would acquire power via his teacher. Not many people knew of his heritage, not even Kublai Kai was aware till he revealed it himself.
    12) Yang Guo and Guo Jing in the Mongolian camp: Yang Guo faked an internal injury. Guo Jing carried him on his back, Yang Guo asked Guo Jing whether his father was an evil man. Guo Jing replied as the same in previous e***ion.
    At that moment, he was confused. Yang Guo was child who longed for love----> love from a father. And in his heart Guo Jing was that father, who could risk his life for him, protect him no matter what. And only had high hopes of him. At that moment he was confronted with that thought and his love for Guo Jing. Yang Guo was not even sure if his real father would love him half as much as Guo Jing did, if he was alive. Just because one is supposed to avenge one''s father, could he really kill the man who is as closed to him as any father could be?
    13) Guo Jing was still injured because of Yang Guo, nonetheless. Because Yang Guo was faking an injury, Guo Jing carried him on his back. Therefore Xiaoxiang Zi attacked Yang Guo, but Yang could not defend himself. Guo Jing had to take care of Yang Guo as result injured.
    14) Guo Xiang did become the pupil of Jinlun, she agreed because she sort of lead him on. Hoping she would have a chance to escape from him. Jinlun loved Guo Xiang as a daughter and in the end died saving her from the buring platform.
    15) The final confrontation still takes place between Yang Guo and Jinlun Guoshi. However when Yang Guo injured Jinlun and the platform was starting to collapse. Jinlun refound his benevolence and saved his pupil. He was never too keen on the idea of using Guo Xiang as bait to lure Guo Jing over.
    He even argued with Kublai Kai about this and Kublai Khai apologized to him. But when the Khan issued the imperial edict to use Guo Xiang Jinlun had to obey, because if he defied those orders the consequences could affect all followers of Lamaism in the Mongolian empire.
    16) The Imperial Priest taught Guo Xiang everything including Tibetan Buddhism. And he was very pleased to see her even progressing faster than his late head disciple.
    17) Guo Xiang had a naive thought about; if she was born 20 years earlier. She would become Da Longnu and live nearby Mount Zhongnan too and take care of the bullied Yang Guo. It was a very sweet and naive thought.....
    18) The next leader of Quanzhen was Song Dao''an. An actual Quanzhen Taoist priest, because historically Li Zhichang was only his second in command of Song Dao''an.
    19) Li Mochou revealing a bit about her last conversation with Lu Zhanyuan. According to her (honestly I don''t find her a very reliable source), Lu Zhanyuan said many sweet things to her. But when they parted for 4 months, and saw each other again. He was an entire different person, he was cold and civil against her. When she asked why, Lu Zhanyuan answered:"Miss Li, we''re just normal friends in the realm of martial arts. And I really appreciate and am thankful for the affection and care you''ve shown in the past. I will repay you for that for some day. Next month I am getting married in Dali with Miss He, if you have the time I would welcome to join the wedding banquet."
    Li Mochou became furious and coughed up blood and fainted. Lu Zhanyuan revived her and helped her to an inn and left. When she told this story to Xiao Longnu, Li Mochou managed to portray Lu Zhanyuan as an heartless, ingrate. Which showed that she must have played this particular scene over and over again in her head for the past 10 odd years.
    20) The Five Masters of Quanzhen went into retreat to create a skill to put Quanzhen back on its'' feet. It was not only for the purpose of defeating the Ancient Tomb School anymore.
    21) By the way Yang Guo tells Huang Rong that Hong Qigong had died at Mount Hua. This happens when she, Guo Fu, the brothers Wu and Yang Guo used the stone formation to keep Jinlun Guoshi at bay. She was utterly upset and sad, as expected.
    22) Gongsun Zhi is even more despicable now.
    23) Some names of Yang Guo''s techniques have been altered by Jin Yong.
    24) The personality of the Imperial Priest is also different, in the old version he really did not care for Guo Xiang''s life when she was tied to the pole. But here he only launched a FAKE attack, in the old version that was no fake attack.
    25) The military governor of Xiangyang is Lu Wenhuan. This Lu Wenhuan is the actual brother of the old governor Lu Wende. Lu Wende had rendered some merits, therefore he was given the position as the military chancellor and was now in the capital. His worthless brother Lu Wenhuan assumed command of Xiangyang, Guo Jing and Huang Rong were helping Lu Wenhuan all the time and never met Lu Wende.
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    Ode to the Gallantry - Hiệp Khách Hành
    There are hardly any changes at all, like Jin Yong wrote in his epilogue. He just merely changed some dialogues to make it more fluent. Nothing else has changed; the ending is the same, as far as I can see there are NO changes too in the Sword of the Yue Maiden.
    The most noticable changes I saw were:
    - The maid of Shi Potian, Shijian, does not get killed. She only gets her acupoints sealed this time. Shi Potian managed to stop Ding Dang from killing her.
    - When Shi Qing tells Shi Potian about what Zhang San and Li Si did, he mentioned a certain Taoist priest melting copper plaques with his internal energy. In the previous e***ion this Taoist priest was the leader of the Qingcheng School, but now he is/was the leader of the Kongtong School.
    - Shi Potian is very much certain that he only loves A Xiu and not Ding Dang. In the previous e***ions the readers already know that Shi Potian loves A Xiu, but now in the new e***ion it was just re-enforced in this edion.
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    A Deadly Secret
    - The biggest change is that now we are certain that this novel takes place in the Qing dynasty. Wu Liuqi of the Duke of Mount Deer is mentioned.
    The treasure which was mentioned in the story originates from the Liang dynast (502-557 A.D.). The whereabouts of this treasure was lost when emperor Yuan (552-555 A.D.) killed every official and craftsman who participated on the construction of this hidingplace. And after emperor Yuan himself was killed the secret was entirely lost.
    It was only during emperor Kangxi''s reign that a monk residing in the Tianning Monastery accidentally found out about this treasure.
    As a Buddhist monk he had no desires of keeping the treasure for himself, but he wanted to assist his martial arts nephew Wu Liuqi. He knew that Wu Liuqi was a member of the Heaven and Earth Association, so he knew that the money would serve a good cause. He wrote a letter to inform Wu Liuqi about his findings, but he could not just write down:"I found a treasure, come and get it."
    So he wrote a series of cryptic clues in that letter, because both the monk and Wu Liuqi had studied the Tang Poem swordsmanship, Wu Liuqi would naturally understand the clue. However, when the messenger arrived Wu Liuqi was unfortunately killed by the family Zhong. Gradually parts and bits of the secret leaked out in the realm of martial arts.
    The teacher and martial arts uncles of Di Yun belonged to the same martial arts school as Wu Liuqi and the Buddhist monk. So they too studied the Tang Poem swordsmanship and knew this sword style was linked to a treasure.
    - Again some dialogues are changed to make the story more fluent.
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    The Young Flying Fox - Lãnh Nguyệt Bảo Đao / Phi Hồ ngoại truyện
    - Feng Tiannan is killed by Hu Fei during the world''s martial arts gathering. Feng Tiannan was trying to sneak away during the confusion, Yuan Ziyi quickly told Hu Fei to kill him before he could escape.
    - There is a short battle between Tang Pei and Hu Fei during the world martial arts gathering.
    - Yuan Ziyi is not so detestable anymore.
    - Tian Guinong gets extra humiliated during the martial arts gathering.
    And again some dialogues are altered to make the book more fluent.
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    Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre - Ỷ thiên Đồ long ký
    1) Reverend Wuse speaks on behalf of Zhang Junbao at Shaolin, saying that he was reponsible for giving away those iron Arhats to Guo Xiang. He added that if anyone should be blamed it should be him and not Zhang Junbao. However, the old monk of the Spiritual Zen Hall was adamant in saying that Zhang Junbao learnt Shaolin martial arts without permission and should still be punished. Abbot Tianming suggested that Wuse, Jueyuan and Zhang Junbao should go to the Dharma Hall and all of them would discuss how to punish all 3 of them. Jueyuan feared for the worst and took Guo Xiang and Zhang Junbao and ran away.
    2) Yin Susu and other higher ranked people in Tianying Sect knew who Xie Xun was. They knew he was a guardian lord of the Ming cult.
    3) Xie Xun''s son was 3 years old when he was killed by Yuanzhen (Cheng Kun), in the earlier e***ions Xie Wuji was 1 years old and lead to some time discontinuity. (To be honest, I am not sure what that discontinuity was in the earlier e***ions, I did not notice that error in the past).
    4) The supposed battle between Shaolin and Wudang has changed somewhat. The original plan was that 6 Shaolin monks v.s. 6 Wudang disciples. Wudang would use their famous sphere formation. However, Yu Lianzhou was still weakend by that exchange of palms with He Biweng and Zhang Cuishan was too distraught at that time. Reason, Yuanye was scolding Zhang Cuishan for killing Dou Dajin''s family and for blinding one of his eyes and the left eyes of Yuanyin and Yuanxin. Yuanye kept his anger in control while his teacher (Kongzhi) and his martial arts uncles (abbot Kongwen and reverend Kongxing) were speaking. But when the battle was to start he could not help himself from venting his anger and scolding Zhang Cuishan for being an utter disgrace to Zhang Sanfeng and Wudang. He said that a real man would at least admit the crimes he did, Zhang Cuishan felt that he really did disgrace his school. He could not tell them the actually culprit was his wife but by keeping quiet he endangered Wudang''s reputation. So, Yu Lianzhou feared that they would loose this fight, because it would be probable that the other 4 heroes would have to look after him and Zhang Cuishan and weakening the formation. Yin Susu saw the pain of her husband and approached Kongwen, Kongzhi and Kongxing and confessed to what she did and chided the 3 reverends for being muddle-headed. Then, she told Zhang Cuishan to follow her inside, she went to Yu Daiyan and confessed to what she did 10 years ago and asked him to punish her.....(the rest is pretty much the same as the old e***ions). What I liked about this part was that Yin Susu showed how much she loved her husband and what a responsible woman she had become.
    5) Origins of Jiuyang (Laviathan has already posted this and I too have expressed my feelings about this). The origins are mentioned when Zhang Wuji is training Jiuyang in that **** and that Confucian, Taoist and Buddhist monk wrote how and why he wrote Jiuyang. (Again, I thought it was redundant and farfetched).
    6) When Zhang Wuji saw Yin Tianzheng and Song Yuanqiao fighting he was crying, because he recognized the stances both of them used and it reminded him of the times when his mother and father would train (using the same stances).
    7) The Ming cult has 3 capital orders and 5 minor orders. There are 12 holy sceptres in total, on the first 6 there is a martial arts engraved on it (learnt by Zhang Wuji and those Persians) on the other 6 the most important 8 rules of the Ming cult are engraved on it.
    Three capital orders:
    - Ming cultists are prohibited from becoming emperors, officials, kings, generals, etc. They rebel because they want to save the people not for their own gain. However, it is allowed to use those names when rebelling to attract support.
    - Ming cultists are not allowed to oppress the people and should do whatever is possible to ease the suffering of men.
    - Ming cultists are not to fight each other.
    Five minor orders:
    - Ming cultists are men and women of their words.
    - Ming cultists are to treat each other like brothers and sisters.
    - Respect your elders, brothers, sisters, parents and friends.
    - Treat women with respect
    - Protect the cult with your life and obey the commands of your seniors in the cult.
    8) The Dragon Sabre is made from Yang Guo''s heavy iron sword. (like in the previous e***ions, he gave this sword to Guo Xiang; I don''t know when he gave that sword to her). The Heavenly Sword is made from the Lady and Gentleman swords. There are two small chips on the sabre and sword just a few centimetres from the hilt. Use both weapons to saw through the chips, only those two weapons are powerful enough to break each other. Inside the weapons is a metal map to Peach Blossom Isle and the location of the manuals.
    9) Manuals: Yue Fei''s art of war and Jiuyin Zhenjing, plus various Peach Blossom Isle and Hong Qigong''s martial arts. There isn''t a manual on 18 Dragon Subduing Palms anymore. The Jiuyin Bone claws and other skills used by Mei Chaofeng have been slightly altered by Huang Yaoshi, those are still evil skills but not as vile as used by Mei Chaofeng. Huang Yaoshi was saddened by the deaths of Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng, therefore he made some changes to this martial arts.
    When Xiangyang fell, Guo Xiang was in Sichuan province and when she rushed back it was too late. Guo Jing and Huang Rong did not give the sword and/or sabre to Guo Fu, because they knew she was too reckless and dumb. (Miejue Shi-tai told this to Zhou Zhiruo).
    10) The Yang family must be aware of the secret of the sword and sabre, therefore Miss Yang was able to deduce what Zhou Zhiruo did and exposed her crimes.
    11) The dialogue in which Miejue Shi-tai forces Zhou Zhiruo is moved, we do not see this scene when they are at the pagoda. Instead when Zhou is exposed she thinks back and then we are able to read about the dialogue.
    12) Zhou Zhiruo was thinking of killing all 4 of them on that island, but she could not do it because she realized that she was madly in love with Zhang Wuji.
    13) Yelu Qi mastered all 18 stances of the Dragon-Subduing palms, in the previous e***ions this was never really clear. But now it is! Furthermore it seems that Xiao Feng made the alterations from 28 to 18 and Xuzhu was responsible for returning this martial arts back to the Beggar''s Union after Xiao Feng''s death.
    14) Zhu Yuanzhang tried to force Zhang Wuji to give up leadership of the Ming cult by bringing his army and questioning Zhang Wuji about Zhao Min. The truth is that the Ming Cult lost control of the army leaders, those army leaders were still Ming cultists but they more or less gathered their own support and with their army they have become quite autonomous. This was something that Yang Xiao, Fan Yao and others realised and they knew they could not kill Zhu Yuanzhang and endanger further alienation from the other army leaders. The fact is in order to topple the Yuan dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang had to stay alive.
    Zhao Min vowed to leave the central plains when everything was over, she smiled it was up to Zhang Wuji whether he wants to follow her or not.
    15) The 3 Du-generation monks did not kill Kunlun He Taichong, Madame He and those 2 other Kunlun experts. The Du monks easily defeated and wounded them and Yuanzhen quickly stepped forward to kill the 4 of them. The Du monks were angry at that, and said there was no need to kill them.
    16) Song Qingshu is not killed by Zhang Sanfeng, but succumbed to his injuries at Mount Wudang. HOWEVER, he was not forgiven by anyone!
    17) Xiao Chao sent emissaries to return the other 6 sceptres to the Ming Cult, Zhang Wuji "stole" the first 6 from the Persians. In return he gave the a copy of the Qiankun martial arts back to Xiao Chao. But the real reason behind this was that Xiao Chao missed Zhang Wuji and really wanted to make contact with him once more. It was very sweet, because if you can remember from previous e***ions and tv adaptions. Xiao Chao was making some clothes for Wuji when she was in that in that inn when Wuji was rescueing those people in the pagoda. She finished making those clothes and sent them to Zhang Wuji along with the sceptres.
    18) Zhang Wuji became disillusioned when he could not save the life of a general and address the death of Han Lin''er and with that he left the leadership of the Ming Cult in the hands of Yang Xiao, Fan Yao and left the Central Plains with Zhao Min. And he did not want to break the capital order of the Ming cult.
    19) Zhou Zhiruo''s wish was that Zhang Wuji could not marry Zhao Min, Zhang Wuji complied. However, he added that without being married it would not prevent him from loving her or having children with her. Zhou Zhiruo did not mind that. In the end Zhang Wuji was thinking who he loved most (all 4 girls), he really did not know the answer. This does NOT mean, he will leave Zhao Min. Because he knows very well the sacrifices Zhao Min made for him.
    20) There are 5 elders of Kongtong in all the e***ions. The first elder is Guan Neng, second Zong Weixia, third elder Tang Wenliang, fourth elder Chang Jingzhi. But the fifth elder never had a name and he does not have one in the third e***ion either. I would have hoped that Jin Yong would at least try to give that 5th elder a name.
    21) Granny Golden Flower says she and her husband were poisoned by an old Buddhist monk of the western regions working for the Mongolians. In the past it was a mute, ''Tou Tuo" from the western regions working for the Mongolians.
    22) The comment Zhang Wuji made to Zhou Zhiruo about how Zhang Sanfeng thought he might not have reached Guo Jing''s level of martial arts is gone. The reason is that in the older e***ions, Zhou Zhiruo started to train Jiuyin on the isle but now she does have the manuals yet. So the two of them cannot have that talk about martial arts and the comment is therefore gone.
    23) When Zhang Wuji took Zhang Sanfeng''s hand at Mt Wudang, Zhang Sanfeng thought that only experts like reverend Jueyuan, Guo Jing, Yang Guo and others had such powerful internal energy. Yang Guo''s name is on that list too.
    24) Zhou Zhiruo does not fake a suicide when Zhang Wuji met with Zhao Min anymore. Instead she leaves and disappears for a month or two (destination: Peach Blossom Isle). She finds the manuals and starts to train.
    25) The comment that Yuanzhen/Cheng Kun is as good as Duwei, Dujie and Dunan is gone. It is only commented that Yuanzhen was superior to Xie Xun. But that is something most people know.
    26) Zhang Wuji used his Jiuyang internal strength to eradicate 70% of the martial arts of the Xuanming elders. The 3 of them fought each other when the Xuanming elders were after the Jiuyin manual on Zhou Zhiruo. And Lu Zhangke wanted to have the manual and rape Zhou Zhiruo. Of course, they were foiled by Zhang Wuji. Their martial arts are even inferior to the 8 archers of Zhao Min.
    There seems to be a subtle hint in the novel that the creator of Jiuyang might have written the manual but did not study it himself.
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    Demi Gods and Semi Devils - Thiên long bát bộ
    - Ye Erniang, the second evil, does not kill the babies herself. After toying with the babies, she just leaves them at the houses of strangers. The parents of the missing children are in distraught not knowing if their children are alive or not.
    - Qingcheng School and Qin Family Ban***s will become banner men of the Murong family. Bao Butong gave them a choice, you can either enter our service and we will help you locate the killers of your father and/or martial arts brother and you will obey our commands. Wang Yuyan added a bonus she said that she will tell them the missing martial arts of their schools. Of course both Qingchen and Qin family Ban***s accepted.
    - It is revealed the Beggar?Ts elder who disguised himself as Wang Jiantong, to fool the Khitans was saved by Xiao Feng. It was also Xiao Feng who planned the assassination on the field marshal of the Khitans, elder Chen was the man who carried the job. This showed that Xiao Feng was both courageous, brave but also great planner. A fabulous leader of the Beggar?Ts Association.
    - On his way to see reverend Zhiguang, Xiao Feng and A Zhu meet five old men. These five old men want to test Xiao Feng?Ts palm technique, especially the 28 Dragon Subduing Palms. These five old men are abbot Xuanci and four other Xuan generation monks. Abbot Xuanci examined the body of reverend Xuanku and felt that he was killed by a very raw, yang palm attack. But abbot Xuanci had his suspicions because he believed that Xiao Feng is not ruthless man. So, he and 4 other martial arts brothers went in incognito to investigate the murders of Grandfather Tan, Granny Tan, Zhaoqian Sunli, elder Xu, Chan Family. Finally, abbot Xuanci was about to test Xiao Feng. He used a palm attack of the Prana palms, but at the moment two energies were to collide. Xuanci retracted his energy, Xiao Feng was confused. He did not understand the intention of this old man, was it a trick to fool Xiao Feng in retracting too but at the last minute the old man would attack. But if Xiao Feng did not retract he could kill the old man. Xiao Feng gambled and thought the old man would not trick him, if these five old men had ill intentions they could have combined their forces and attacked simultaneously. Xiao Feng realised if the five of them attacked at once, he would be killed. So, Xiao retracted his palm attack too. And that moment, abbot Xuanci realised that Xiao Feng was innocent. However, at that moment he did not reveal his true identity yet. Because, he now knows someone else is on a killing spree and the Heroes Gathering at Shaolin in future will be an excellent time to clear Xiao Feng?Ts name. He and his other 4 martial arts brothers took their leave with that.
    - Reverend Zhiguang revealed to Xiao Feng who is father was. Xiao Yuanshan was the drill inspector of the Khitan imperial guards. He was also a clansman of the Liao empress dowager. Because of his incredible martial arts both the emperor and the empress dowager had respect for him, although Xiao Yuanshan did not fill any important post in the empire but his words carried a lot of weight because of his good relationship with the empress dowager and emperor. He was proponent of the peace between the Song and Liao empires. That is why Murong Bo wanted him dead. By the way, Xiao Yuanshan did speak a little Chinese, but those Chinese martial artists did not understand him because Xiao had a very heavy Khitan accent.
    Even, abbot Xuanci, Wang Jiantong and Zhiguang had heard of the name Xiao Yuanshan and respected him for being a fighter for peace. They were very worried and sad when they realised they had accidentally killed him and they feared retaliation of the Liao empire. Fortunately, that did not happen.
    - Like the previous e***ion Madame Ma and Duan Zhengchun were flirting and talking nonsense. However, now Xiao Yuanshan does not appear. Instead Xiao Feng does what his father did in the previous e***ions, the lovers of Duan Zhengchun?Ts acupoints were sealed (like the previous e***ions), but now the elders of the Beggar?Ts Association and branch leaders were also there and Xiao Feng sealed their acupoints.
    They heard Bai Shijing?Ts confession and Xiao Feng unsealed their acupoints, Madame Ma and Bai Shijing confessed their affair??.Plus Madame Ma revealed she had it off with elder Xu as well. And then everyone realised why elder Xu was so pro Madame Ma and anti Qiao Feng earlier.
    Bai Shijing was executed by the Merits Awarding Elder, Xiao Feng stormed and quickly saved Madame Ma. Because he still needed to know who the [Big Brother] was.
    Madame Ma, ultimately, has the same fate in the past. By the way it was Quan Quanqing who stole the fan of Xiao Feng, not elder Chen anymore.
    - A Zhi fled from her teacher Ding Chunqiu because of two reasons. The most important one was that she was afraid of her teacher now. A Zhi was growing up and turned into a pretty lady, Ding Chunqiu looked at her with a funny look in his eyes. Furthermore, he would sometimes caress her face and touch her breasts. She knew that she had to leave this place very soon. And she stole the ?oshen mu wang ding.?
    - Wuya Zi was first in love with Tianshan Tonglao, however when he found out that she could not become normal again (after Li Qiushui?Ts yell). He broke up with her and fell in love with Li Qiushui. Tonglao was distraught and hated Li Qiushui. Wuya Zi fell in love with the jade statue, Li Qiushui started an affair with Ding Chunqiu. But she never loved Ding, when Wuya Zi found out Li Qiushui and Ding Chunqiu ambushed Wuya Zi and he fell off the cliff. Li Qiushui , Ding Chunqiu and her daughter (fathered by Wuya Zi), the later Madame Wang left with the martial arts manuals. Later on, Li Qiushui grew tired of Ding and left him the Xiao Wu Xianggong manual and she left to Xixia. She also told her daughter to call Ding Chunqiu [father]. Later on, because the daughter of Li Qiushui married into the Wang family, and the Wang family were the in-laws of the Murong family. But the Murong family knew that Ding Chunqiu was somehow related to their in-laws and knew a bit of the affair between Ding and his own [Shi Mu]. As consequence, the Murong family looked a bit down upon Madame Wang and her mother and wanted nothing to do with Ding Chunqiu. However, Murong Bo remained politically polite therefore he could enter the Wang family martial arts library.
    - Murong Bo after the the Yanmen Pass incident was also not at home, abbot Xuanci frequently send people to locate him but he was always ?oout.? He exchanged several Shaolin arts for the ?oHuo Yan Dao? of Jiumozhi , Jiumozhi thanked him and said he would do his best to get the Duan?Ts 6 Meridian Sword manual. Therefore he trained very diligently his Huo Yan Dao and the three Shaolin Finger skills.
    - Jiumozhi accidentally entered the Wang Manion when he was trying to capture Duan Yu again, Duan Yu escaped with A Bi and A Zhu. He overheard Ding Chunqiu and Madame Wang talking, it seems that Ding Chunqiu left the 8 volumes of Xiao Wu Xiang Gong at the Wang mansion, because he did not trust his Xingshu disciples. But Ding Chunqiu could not successfully master Xiao Wu Xiang Gong, he took one manual and left for Xingshu again. Jiumozhi stole the other 7 volumes and within three years time he had mastered Xiao Wu Xiang Gong. Although not directly implied but one of the reasons why Jiumozhi could master Xiao Wu Xiang Gong was because of his high level in Buddhist martial and his knowledge in Buddhist philosophy. (Comparable what reverend Yideng said about Taoist and Buddhist martial arts at the highest level are the same). Furthermore, Jiumzhi?Ts martial arts were much higher than Ding Chunqiu and Jiumozhi is also ten times more intelligent than Ding. But because Jiumozhi missed one volume, his Xiao Wu Xiang Gong is rather useless when he was facing Xuzhu.
    - Tonglao?Ts martial art?Ts name has changed. The reason for that is that the previous had a Buddhist background, but the martial arts itself had not Buddhist connection at all. Therefore, the name has been changed. Also this type of martial arts can preserve one?Ts looks and youth. Because Tonglao was in love with Wuya Zi, she told him some of the youth preserving methods and after he was married to Li Qiushui he revealed those secrets to her as well. Ding Chunqiu on the other hand knew just a little bit, but enough to make him very suave for his age, but he wanted to know the entire thing. The name is Tian Chang Di Jiu Chang Chun Bu Lao Gong, the name itself is lame but it does contain the characteristics of this art. Ding used poison, toxins to preserve his looks but in the recent years this was not working too well anymore.
    - You Tanzhi studied yoga, true. A Zhu stole a Sanskrit copy of Yijin manual. The back story is, in the past an Indian Buddhist monk came to China. He took with him several scriptures and blank manuals to write scriptures down. Unknown to him was that a blank manual of his had a secret powerful hidden Yoga technique used by ancient Sanskrit me***ators with invisible ink, he later on copied down the Sanskrit Yijin jing on that blank manual. However, Yijin jing was not lost, Shaolin monks always had the Chinese translation of it and did not think the lost of a Sanskrit copy was that important.
    - The part of the two Indian Buddhist monks has been cut, abbot Shenshan of the Qingliang monastery is there to demand explanation why Shaolin has not done a thing about Qiao Feng. Eder Xu is a martial arts brother of abbot Shenshan.
    - Abbot Xuanci asked Xiao Feng to enter the Shaolin Monastery and told him that he and 4 other monks were in fact those 5 mysterious old men. Abbot Xuanci confessed to Xiao Feng that he was the [big brother], and he told Xiao Feng that if he wanted to avenge his parents he will not fight back and the Xuan generation monks were not allowed to retaliate. Xiao Feng said that he needed time to find who the real killer was of the his adopted parents and teacher and also the name of the messenger that lead to the massacre of Yanmen Pass. Abbot Xuanci nodded and said that Xiao Feng was welcome to take his life any time, he also told Xiao Feng to leave at the rear entrance of the monastery. He and the other Shaolin monks will block and/or explain to the heroes. But Xiao Feng refused this.
    - The Xixia princess is revealed to be the granddaughter of Li Qiushui.
    - Duan Yu realised that he never really loved Wang Yuyan, but loved the statue. He projected his love for the statue on Wang Yuyan and let her go. In contrast to Wuya Zi who remained oblivious till the end, Duan Yu could break the vicious circle on time. And he let her go, Wang Yuyan also pushed the jade statue and therefore freeing Duan Yu of his ?ocurse.? It was very Zen, but logical.
    - After Xiao Feng was rescued, the Beggar?Ts Association wanted him back as leader. But he declined, Xiao Feng thought of way. He wanted Xuzhu to learn the Dog Beating stick and the 18 Dragon Subduing Palms, when the Beggars Association would find a suitable leader that person could learn these 2 skills from Xuzhu.
    Xiao Feng added that the last 10 stances of the 28 Dragon Subduing Palms were redundant, they were in fact repetitions, variations of the 18 previous palms. If the practitioner understands the essence of the Dragon Subduing Palms there is no need for the last 10 palms at all. He and Xuzhu sort of filtered out the good parts of the last 10 redundant stances and integrated those good parts into the earlier 18 palms.
    Many years later, a unnamed young beggar who rose in the ranks of the Beggar?Ts Association was appointed by the elders to seek out Xuzhu. Xuzhu tested that young beggar and deemed him worthy and taught him the Dog Beating Stick and the 18 Dragon Subduing Palms.
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    A few corrections.....
    I misread that part about Xiao Wu Xiang Gong, it is perfectly allright to use Xiao Wu Xiang Gong to perform different martial arts of different schools.
    Jiumozhi''s fire deviation was his own fault, he missed one volume of Xiao Wu Xiang Gong.
    Murong Bo gave Jiumozhi all the 72 Shaolin arts as a way to repay him for teaching him "Huo Yan Dao." If Jiumozhi could bring Murong Bo the 6 Meridian Sword Manual, Jiumozhi could copy down another 50 other martial arts manuals (of different schools, I think) in the Murong library.
    - Xiao Feng saves A Zi first and is invited into the Shaolin Monastery by abbot Xuanci. And I was getting ahead of things with the heroes gathering. Sorry, for that. But there were two gatherings more or less, one was planned by Shaolin which was supposed to be held one month (?) later than the one with all the battles and such.
    - Li Qiushui''s comment about leaving those manuals to kill all Xiaoyao disciples were aimed at Ding Chunqiu. As to why she didn''t do it herself is left open. That is something we as readers should fill in ourselves.
    Murong Bo underestimated reverend Xuanbei and the power of the Weituo Staff, that is what the novel said. And when they came to blows because he underestimated Xuanbei he was immediately a bit overwhelmed and quickly used his Shifting North Star Technique to reflect that blow, killing reverend Xuanbei.
    Madame Ma wanted Bai Shijing to revolt against Xiao Feng, Bai Shijing refused. (Like e***ion 2). She then went to look for help at Quan Guanqing, she slept with him for three nights and he immediately did everything she wanted.
    But she realised that Quan Guanqing alone might not be enough, so she went to elder Xu. According to her, it was elder Xu who made a pass at her. She didn''t decline and started an affair with him. In the end, Bai Shijing and Xu Chongxiao [徐-o"] found that they shared the same lover, both wanted to kill each other. Bai Shijing struck first and killed Xu Chongxiao with a stone mace. The Beggar''s Association assumed that it was Qiao Feng.
    But when Madame Ma confessed the whole thing, affair with Bai Shijing and Xu Chongxiao. The elders decided that the best thing was to keep this under their hats and let Xiao Feng remain the scapegoat for all the crimes.
    If word would get out that this s-lut was not only responsible for the death of the vice-leader of the Beggar''s Association, but she started an affair with the respected elder Xu and was partly responsible for his death, on top of that she started an snowball effect that resulted in the Beggar''s Association to disown on of their greatest leader in history and now the elders are executing their own Rule Execution elder. All because of this b-itch. Well, if the realm would find out about this the reputation of the Beggar''s Association would be tarnished for good. So, better blame Xiao Feng a decision which Wu Changfeng hated.
    Xiao Yuanshan was still reponsible for killing the Chan Family, Zhaoqian Sunli and Granny Tan.
    I understand your question, Hank. And I don''t feel overwhelmed at all. And yes, I am familiar with the term [xin mo], I just could not think of a suitable translation yesterday that is why I put the word curse between brackets. Duan Yu still saw Wang Yuyan as a sister.
    - As for the love life of Duan Yu, nothing too interesting. The Xixia princess saw that Duan Yu was looking quite sad and offered a caring companion for him in the form of the palace maid. The 4 sword girls were a gift too, but those girls married the sons of the 3 Ministers. It was only said in the end that Mu Wanqing later on became the Imperial Consort [s?f], Zhong Ling became Consort Xian [賢f] and the palace maid Consort Shu ['f]. One of them was the mother of Duan Zhengxing (the father of Duan Zhixing/reverend Yideng), but it was unclear which one.
    As for Wang Yuyan, she could not learn the method to preserve her youth. Because the only persons who knew the skill were all dead (Tonglao, Wuya Zi and Li Qiushui). She just went back to her mad cousin.
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    Chài, phải dịch ra tiếng việt chứ KP, để thế này, hông ai đọc nổi đâu, nội vụ tên nhân vật đã ù hết cả đầu gòi

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