Women and men , who are more jealous??!! page 4

The more you say, the more you confirm that we women should be or must be loyal unless we cannot get married and will have a very very lonely ending
Nói cho gần lời thưa mưa nắng, cúi cho gần bờ mi loáng trăng, uống cho gần một ly tơ óng ......

Hi Coolbiz, some communication breakdown here. I didn''t espouse the idea of women being unfaithful. What I wanted to say is how can we expect a woman to stay faithful while most of us men are always seeking for easy love or ***??? Do we men really consider giving them women equal rights or we are just bocpheting that today men and women are just on an equal basis in everything???
Hope you understand me correctly.
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On top of that, I think, we men are abysmally hypocrites. We always say that everything we men and women do should be based on gender equality, that we should be critically gender-aware of what we are doing, so to speak. But just have a look at those who are clamorously supporting the idea. I''m sure that most of them are hypocrites, what they are saying is just to comply with something they are forced to write as a way to show that they are doing a good job in their professional career. In real life, they behave quite differently. They runs after other women and think that they deserve part of this but if their women, for some reason, are involved with other men, they will lable their wives "unfaithfull" or something like that.
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U guy seem to stand for women''s rights , it''s good !!
At first , I just mentioned the fact that made me surprised but later , I was astonished again after seeing ur views . Especially sgh , things I would like to confirm is that We need loyalty for a really true love . In general , men are often said to be less loyal than women , but the fact here come to the changes in concepts of women about love , loyalty , ur case for example . Sgh , Have you ever experienced "True Love " ? Once U do , U will see my view more clearly .
To capter , U r right when saying we should offer women the rights that Men have had !! But have U ever seen a really happy family when a man keep on his chasing for another woman , letting his wife at home with babies ,in order to satisfy his baser instinct ??
The really purpose of this topic is not to make the comparison between men and women''s loyalty !! I just would like to express the importance and meaning of True love and loyalty , anyway , plays a very significant role !! Any man wanna have more , but problem here is that he know how to control his needs or not , reducing the unneccessary ones may lead to a happier moment , he then will certainly sacrify for that .
have u ever pictured a scene , a marriage between a man who always thinks of other women and a woman who always thinks of other men . That kiind of marriage may derive from the pressure of society , of family or even of ***ual satisfaction !!

Hi Coolbiz again! Thanks for sharing with me! Actually, I have a feeling that I am being foolish because I am so bad at making myself understood. Turning back to our discussion of loyalty, I want to emphasize again that I do not support the idea that women and men are let free in their pursuit of easy extramarital ***. What I did imply is that we men cannot ask women to do something that we men cannot do in most of the cases. Many men today, for example, want to hunt for easy *** but when it comes to marriage, they always insist that their prospective wives should be women who are virgin, who have not had *** with anyone before, etc. I have been all around Vietnam, from the most remote area where you cannot have such bare necessities of life as electriciy, clean water drinking, etc., to the most developed area like Sai Gon, and I have seen with my own eyes that men everywhere are basically just the same. When offered free *** from an even unidentified woman, he can accept the offer immediately without ever considering the implications of that action. Therefore, it has become increasingly understandable that most of us men must have had *** with at least a woman before marriage, whereas just a tiny fraction of all women do the same before getting married. And it leaves no problem at all if we men do not criticize a woman for having pre-marriage ***. But that is not the case. Many guys grumble noisily after he has found out that his wife had *** with her ex or with somebody before they had become a couple, while women always give us some kind of sympathy if we ever had *** with some woman in the past.
Now I must be off for some drinks. I will go back to you later. Remember, don''t take it seriously. I am trying to see how different people think about different problems.
 
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U r right to show the reality that men , those who always ask for things from women which they can never offer them in return !! That is why I would like to mention here , the reality seems to be so bad !! Therefore , loyalty turns out to be more and more important !! will U accept ur wife''s adultery in the future ? of course not , and according to what U said , U too can not ask for her forgiving if U do the same thing , rite >??
U said most of men have *** , at least with one woman before marriage and also require his coming wife to be a virgin , so it leads to an unfair play !! something are against the so-called equality !!
U know that , U realize the problem , why don''t we men try to remove it in order to persuade our women to live with loyalty ?
U may answer that extramarital *** may come from the very first instinct of men !! but it still depends !! Someone who is very keen on a woman , he is not manly , isn''t he ??? just ''cos he know how to appreciate True Love !! and a value of loyalty !!
I am sure that U r expecting a nice and kind woman for ur own in the future , U will need her loyalty !!( don''t be silly to say that U don''t need this one ) !! and of course will highly appreciate when ur wife , till then , is a virgin !! Why don''t U try to control ur need t o be deserved for her !! when U really love someone , I know U can do it since U appear to be a very nice guy !!

Am I too conservative talking about this topic ???
A good marriage will definitely lead to an inextricable relatonship !! From my point of view , I don''t find Virgin is the most important criteria after marriage !! As I mentioned , I support cohabitation , but some peaple misunderstand that this life style offers them chances for " as much *** as possible " !!
Once having a choice , it means after the dicision of getting married , they should stick to each other !
All the views that I raised is just what I have thought so far for maintaining a True Love , a relationship and a family !!
True LOve , in my mind , is very romantic and meaningful !!
(at least , to this moment )
Captor , Do U believe in true love , it can lift U up and make u change or stop the persuit of any extramarital *** in the future !!
I am sure

Hi Coolbiz, thanks for truthfully sharing with me! Reading my previous posts, you probably saw that I didn''t point to virgnity as the most important factor that ensures true and sustainable double happiness. How can we men of the 21st century still dwell too much on such a stuff as virgnity??? I don''t think virgnity is all the more important any longer, because what is important to the couple is how they treat each other, not what had happened to the woman in the past or the fact that she had *** before. On top of that, it''s also more important that the woman give her man due care, respect and attention, which all should be returned by the man as well. What the fuss people are making about the importance of virginity is just the rubbish! Actually, I myself can''t understand why today so many men still hold on to the ****ing age-old conception that virginity is the first and foremost in ensuring familial and couple happiness. For those men, we''d better find them a load of virgin girls who have no pre-marriage *** whatsoever but had performed skillfully blowjob on their ex. What''s more, is a wife worth living with if she always looks back upon her ex even though she''s become his legal wife and had her virginity untouched until getting married to him???
Therefore, which is which that is better for a man???
For my part, if I am fully capable of sustaining faithfulness to my wife at all times (assumption only, since I am still on the shelf now), there is then a perfect reason to ask her for the same thing in return. If I am not, I should shut the **** up and put all blame on myself. There should be no necessary worry and grumbling if this is the case.
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Scaning through your post, I find it aliitle bit funny. As long aas you two still mention and discuss or argue about virginity, you two still pay close attention to that, though you all say virginity is not the first and foremost criteria when you choose the partner of your life. Only when men ( or at least you two) no longer talk about it, do I think that they really forget it all about virginity, and that virginity means such a nonsence to them.
Coolbiz, you are right, I have never had a true love. From the bottom of my heart, I have always expected one, and I am sure I will still do.
I have had crush, even mad crush, on many guys. But all that ''s gone away. I beleive that if i truly love someone, he must be nice, gentle, special and close to me enough to lure me, to make me feel that all things that I have found it tempting before is no longer attracting to me now.
And of coure, he also feels the same thing about me
Given that case, loyalty is carried out and dose not require each one''s attempt to do it.
True love itself creates loyalty . True lovers create loyalty instinctively without a mind-set conception of it.
That is my point of view and my expecctation about loyalty in love.
I strongly protest the view that if we want to obtain a true love, we should, or must be loyal; and loyalty is a required criteria for true love. Such a nonsence it is !!!!!
Nói cho gần lời thưa mưa nắng, cúi cho gần bờ mi loáng trăng, uống cho gần một ly tơ óng ......

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hey, Kưng sgh, you Kưng pls go back to my preceding post and carefully study it. I didn''t say, in any way, that virginity is the most important factor, nor is it a must for a man about to get married. Even by contrast I myself support the cause that men should clear their bias against women in such matters.
For Kưng sgh, I think I''m qualified to be your man, I''m sure! Should I not be so, you Kưng can throw me into the wastebin. OK, no problem. I like truth, even brutal one. If I am discarded like scap paper, it''ll be very good to me as well, in the sense that I know I''m not up to Kưng''s expectations. Perhaps we should meet somehow in SG, OK???
I''m wondering how we men should behave to live up to Kưng''s criteria of "nice, gentle, special and close". Hey Kưng, anh don''t believe these criteria are too far out to reach for an average man. There must be something in between, or behind them that makes Kưng more deeply involved or attached.
The last word of the day for my Kưng is I want to have a girlfriend like Kưng, I want to be loved and to be trashed, by Kưng. J/K
 
 
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